SmithPlays Fire Emblem: I Made The PERFECT Fire Emblem 7 Romhack Discussion

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Do you play Fire Emblem hacks because you like the gameplay core that is alike to Fire Emblem (“like Fire Emblem”), chapter-basis, recruitments, story and character-driven, concept of resource management and permadeath, etc.

or do you play Fire Emblem 7 Rebalance 24 because you like playing games like Fire Emblem 7 Rebalance 13 where its essentially just the same game over and over with little changes over and over

One thing is to want to play things “like the vanilla games”, but another is wanting to play “just like the vanilla game”. We’ve had both, mind you - games that do try to evoke the more “mainline Fire Emblem-like” (Drums of War iirc does go the whole way with this) feeling, but it isn’t "just like Fire Emblem”

its not just a copy and paste with number tweaks over the guise of claiming to fix a game

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For context for those of you too lazy to click the source before repeating this publicly, no the allegations don’t involve him at the center. This post is only criticizing how he responded to it.

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theghostcreator
I think it sucks that he didnt really give much attention to the hacking community that provided him with pretty much everything. Like, not even a page on FEU? Really? It just rubs me the wrong way. It feels disingenuous

Considering how hostile FEU is, it’s really not that weird. FEU tends to be very hostile and go to extremes.

@Rye_on_Speed
“The Team:tm: spent thousands of hours on this”

700 hours arguing over whether or not to add 3x effectiveness
300 hours trying to fix the Geitz spelling error in the docs (failed)
500 hours attempting to figure out how to edit a map
1000 hours ideaguying
2 hours spent in FEBuilder

It does infact take quite a long time to make things. I get it’s fun to make up lies about the effort people put into stuff, but like, ugh.

@Arch
I guess when I was reading the video description, I was hoping to see some kind of explicit credit to mkol and 7743/FEBuilder at bare minimum.

That is really not that weird. Most people care about whats being made, not finding reasons to get offended. That is far from a bare minimum. People understand “people made this, they did stuff”, they don’t need to know an exact list of literally every single person who did every single part of a process.

@Arch
A shoutout to FEU would’ve been cool and introduced our community to a whole new audience of people that might be interested in playing the many other ROM hacks that our community has developed over the years. Would’ve been a nice gesture.

It’s not especially surprising if he intentionally chose not to make a FEU page. Not everyone wants to be drama smeared by FEU. Like say, literally the first many posts of this topic. People want to look good for their audience, shocker.

@Ysor
Yeah so this I what I meant about butthurt over no free clout. The guy’s main/active channel has 254K subs so he actually lost clout on this. He has more of a obligation to credit what he used(Something that he did) than to use HIS platform to promote FEU(Something he also did). He added links to the FEU website in the description, he links the credits in the patch link(hell he even links to the repo in the credits) but because he didn’t shake everyone hand and say “I owe FEU for this one” yall make a thread and cry about not getting recognized. The genuinely malicious part is whining about this because he didn’t shout out FEU loud enough to stroke your egos. It’s okay to want free clout bro, you just shouldn’t lie about it.

Yeah pretty much. Thats exactly how this topic reads. And really, if all he did was post it and move on, thats fine. This whole topic is being “FEU - Entitled as usual and angry they are not priority”.

This threat even got so toxic the mods closed it for a time.

@Steak
Ok so first of all, nobody cares about clout. This rom hacking community has a focus on collaboration and sharing.

They defiantly do. I’ve seen far to make times people in and around FEU go all the way for it. I’d go deeper but the mods explicitly asked for this topic to stop going off topic. But just, it happens. And posts here are part of it. Your “This rom hacking community has a focus on collaboration and sharing” sounds nice, but it’s better to say SOME parts. Many parts do not, and focus quite a lot on clout more then FEU regulars would like to admit.

@SanbaiIce
it’s pretty embarrassing that people are trying to belittle this scam on from a lens of merit/good gameplay when it wouldn’t even actually matter if the game was good.

Like this dude right here for example. Trying to say it wouldn’t matter if it was good if it’s a scam. Like, what? It doesn’t matter if games are good and fun? Can we say fates and engage and three houses all don’t matter and they are all part of the big intelligent systems scam conspiracy to get you to hand over your money? When i talk about FEU people being insane, this is what i mean. Just because it’s not to your type does not make it a scam. It’s a real thing. I personally love fates onward not having breakable weapons and i like more radical changes, like sacred stones reforged, but calling this a SCAM because it’s not what you personally want is completely fucking ridiculous.

@CrimsonFox
Guess what FEU’s Official Rule #9? You’re about to have company!

This IS the FEU drama smear in full force. From how dare you not put us front and center, to open asks for full on blacklist type bans.

You FEU drama people are completely nuts. As with how things usually roll with FEU, i won’t be surprised if he starts getting people in him DMs hating on him or making up wild fake storys. I still remember when progenitor (someone who made many useful fates mods) admitted to making up fake pedophile accusations and they are still welcome. But if we don’t like your romhack, well now your a target.

this shit is crazy.

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@Xaiver776
Nearly every enemy on the map looks like this + Silver Weapons (HHM, of course)

Giving enemys silvers isn’t that weird. Most romhacks and offical games alike tend to give enemys silvers when on the hardest difficulty. Even birthright gives enemies some silvers. Some games even give enemies early silvers. Really the GBA emblems are behind the times on enemy quality. We are so very far past GBA and tellius eta making promoted enemies only show up very late game.

@ToGY
Strong promoted enemies will be a theme, promoted class growths are increased more than unpromoted ones, despite promoted classes getting more autolevels.

Thats called making the enemies stronger. Even shadow dragon made enemies quite a bit stronger. I imagine if the game had more difficulty options available it could be balanced around more playstyles, but it’s not that weird to power up enemies not so unfamiliar to how more recent offical games do so.

@boomerangfish
I was one of the playtesters on this. I think it was fun and had a lot of neat little changes, both to characters and maps, that made it fun to play through the game again. Eliwood starting with Lances in particular was great. A lot of characters that are normally pretty awful got much better (my Dorcas ended up with 20 speed, that felt incredible).

See, heres someone talking about the changes as just, i played it and this was my experience. On topic for a change, buffing up the lords does seem pretty reasonable. All lords of all recent fire emblem games can use multiple weapon types (except for unpromoted alear, and ONLY unpromoted alear).

Your MAIN CHARACTER being more flexable then a generic enemy is something obviously very popular, and unlike the haters in this thread, yeah it’s pretty warranted. While FEU might hate avatars and everything they stand for, the bigger weapon access helps make ironman runs feel better with your hero being better able to fill the roles of your fallen allys.

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A Youtuber that’s popular enough to get thousands of views making a “perfect” hack that’s really a combination of several other people’s work and then hardly mentioning those people is annoying, things like this happen all over Youtube and it’s not OK because it’s a common thing or “not weird”. I’m sure you’re right about there being people who care more about clout on this website, and every English fandom is hostile and toxic these days, that’s not news. But wanting influencers to actually give some respect to the things they source their content from is not “clout searching” and you aren’t going to convince me it is. I’m tired of it happening.

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Now let’s do a quick look at those things you mention that make this review “positive” despite them being from changes so minor that accumulated with “good luck”, lead to units “feeling better” than usual.

that Dorcas with 20 spd would hit 18 speed on average from lv3 to 20/20 with the buffed 30% Spd growth (compared to 15 average speed) (People can get lucky or unlucky, and Dorcas can end up like that, better or worse on its own)

and Eliwood’s lance access making him a “more versatile unit” is still something that can be widely be argued against, regardless of “but modern lords can make use of multiple weapons on recent games”

first we do need to take a look at other characters that do have that very same lance access alongside him (cavaliers), as well as what were Eliwood’s disadvantages as a sword lord early on the game - that being lance cavaliers and knights - two major match-ups solved by having rapier access and a high accuracy from sword weapons circumventing the possibility of not needing to use the rapier to kill those (and instead using an iron sword)

whereas the other disadvantage he had (ranged attackers, whether mages or archers) now have a -4 ASPD Eliwood if you try to counter them with a javelin, or experience little change at all.

Like many of the changes made on the “perfect” rebalance are incredibly surface-level, or manage to manufacture even more issues of its own (such as the snowing merged map). There is criticism to be given and there is a load of “this is perfect and took a lot of work” for something that is essentially half-time number tweak and half-time using already explored assets.

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Putting my two cents in here but like saying that the discourse is a feu thing is kinda of a lie when reality its just a fire emblem fan thing, lest we forget we could have more people playing fe via alpharad, but a a certain section threw a hissy fit so hard he never streamed fe again, i honestly probably even say its probably why there aren’t a lot of other gaming channels that don’t even touch fe bc they see us as the 3rd secret group of the undertale/homestuck crazies, like i remember seeing a dude who does smt and castlevania challenges do awakening chrobin solo and people were just bitching about it( haven’t seen fe popped not even for a sec from him), so like ngl, basic ass rebalance or not, i feel like people should instead nurture more and maybe try and keep other people interested in fe instead of just bitching about it and just keeping us in the same secluded bubble of a fandom that has nothing in terms of new with content produced, like please i want more challenge run, give me tome only, thieves only, a poly fe7 lords only run, let the fe content well not be dry as hell no longer people and just stop bitching for nothing

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Hey, regardless of whatever windmills you’re tilting at here, I take particular offense towards the insinuation that I am in some way representative of FEU. That’s far worse than being called insane!!!

But yes, actually functioning creative scenes do in fact have an obligation to reject works on the basis of factors outside of gameplay merit if they provide a danger to the scene’s basic principles and reciprocity. This is, funnily enough, one of very few things that this community actually does correctly! It’s why Andaron Saga is outright FORBIDDEN TO MENTION, the mods correctly understood that doing some kind of AVGN/something awful let’s play type roast would just be giving the mod more attention that it deserves.

At minimum, I would suggest that you all start looking back at other FE7 rebalances, because right now a thing I’m seeing is that people are asking “if this hack is so lazy, what FE7 rebalances ARE good?” and nobody has an answer. If you want to illustrate the vanity of this project you need to be able to point to something better.

On the “clout” thing: I specifically didn’t fight any of the “you guys are just MAD that he’s STEALING YOUR CLOUT” accusations because, yeah, people probably are! Whether they admit it or not. Many people here were abso-fucking-lutely obsessed with clout and recognition when I was closer to the scene. Many people in scenes 100x more welcoming and nice than this one are clout-motivated. I want clout/recognition from my works. It’s unavoidable, it’s one of the evolutionary motivators of creative work. I don’t think this should be seen as a purely evil thing: and the fact that it is seen as evil by some is a result of how heavily influencers and the celebrity concept have corrupted art on a global scale.

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The infinite debate

Rebelance?

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Honestly it’s crazy how long some people in this community can argue with impenetrable walls of text.

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as someone who likes writing you guys are absolute yappatrons lol

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I see “clout” and “recognition” as two different things. Clout refers to influence and power over others. I don’t see that as a positive thing to want over art, and that is in part due to how people who aim for this tend to act. Recognition is about acceptance and being seen. I think this is an instinctual human desire, us being social animals. I’m positive lots of rom hackers want the former too, not denying that, I have seen it with other fan works. But anyway… I can only speak for myself, here. And in my opinion on this situation I don’t appreciate what Smith’s done.

I think you have a point about comparing to other FE7 rebalances. I would like to find some myself. Maybe they would make the game more appealing to me…

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I genuinely don’t have anything better to do for the next few hours, I’m at work lol

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I never said it was. I simply said they have silver to provide further context to their combat stats. As there is a difference between an iron lance and a silver lance. (Shocking)

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You’re a silver.

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Ho, calling your hack ‘perfect’ when there already so many other FE7 rebalances is very brave.

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awtysm

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My fella nice.

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Please don’t call me dude, it messes with my dysphoria.

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Ah whoops.

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