Over-ambitious fool and Class renaming

[Starshadow_Melody]

@CelestiaHeart

let’s say mages are 20% of your army

I would Never willingly field 20% or less of my army as mages. 40% minimum, more likely 60% or even 100% if I’m really excited for magic that day. If only 20% of my army is mages, I have not been given enough mages, and am mad about it.

Mages should be more common, and that’s really all there is to say on the matter.

[CelestiaHeart]

i’d respond but this thread has gotten way off track at this point

uh idk make a dedicated thread for this? i don’t want to clog it up any further

[Starshadow_Melody]

frankly I don’t even want to continue I cannot say that was pleasant unfortunately.

[CelestiaHeart]

how 'bout we agree to disagree and call it there?

[Samson776]

@ImaginationJason

Dark magic could either go more evil evil cult-y or science/alchemy-y, depending on your world’s lore around it

That was the plan for ‘The Visage’ faction, being one of the main big bad cult people, as one may be able to tell from their class tree

@ImaginationJason

(Also, you have two classes named Acolyte, one for the Kingdom of Solaris and one for the Visage. Just wanted to let you know, in case it wasn’t intentional.)

It is intentional, its the same class, just used twice

@ImaginationJason

and you could have names like Windcaller, Stormcaller… Firecaller i guess, Tempest, Inferno, Hurricane/Tornado, Pyromancer, Thundermancer, Galemancer, you get it. That might be too similar, but it is at least fancier. Names could also reflect when they get multiple ranks, e.g. Tempest (Wind+Thunder), Firenado? (Wind+Fire), Plasma (Thunder+Fire)

I will consider these, the hope was to figure out a name more interesting then just “X Mage”

@CelestiaHeart

typos: “ballistican” should be “ballistician”, “rouge” should be “rogue”, “sergant” should be “sergeant”, “brusier” should be “bruiser”, and “spector” is probably meant to be “specter”.

the hyphen in arch and war sage is odd. they should be “Arch Sage” or “Archsage” and “War Sage” or “Warsage”.

I shall fix…

@CelestiaHeart

I’m wondering how movement variety is going to be handled without any horseback units. Will some classes like thieves be built for increased mobility? Tbh without any movement variety I can see your hack being a bit monotonous to play.

current plan is how 80% of the cast is going to begin as 4 mov trainees, then T1 goes to 5 Mov, then T2 goes to 6 Mov, so to start out maps will be a bit on the small side, but as everyone promotes and you get more units the maps will grow bigger and more complicated, But I could make some classes have more mov then usual at the cost of something else to balance it out

@CelestiaHeart

how 'bout we agree to disagree and call it there?

And I see I missed an entire argument about the anima split… I did plan for the magic types to cover different stuff/have their unique attributes, following the examples i saw in “berwick saga”

• Fire - High might, but not much else
• Wind - Almost always brave, hitting 2x, 3x, sometimes 4x
• Thunder - Higher range and crit compared to the others
• Light - Passive buffs to self or allies when used
• Dark - High risk High Reward

[Samson776]

After looking over consensus, heres the current rename plan

Changes

[MISC]
Breaker → Breacher

Paragon → False Prefect

[MAGIC TREE]

Belieaver → Initiate
Pilgrim → Apothacary

Monk → Light Adept
Cleric → Scribe
Bishop → Alchemist
Matriarch → Judge

Shaman → Seer
Druid → Prophet
Abyssal Druid → Abyss Watcher

Fire Mage → Arsonist
Thunder Mage → Tempest
Wind Mage → Stormcaller

Arcane Sage → Anima Weaver
Battle Sage → Spellblade

[PHYSICAL WEPs]
Bladesman/lass → Mercenary
Axeman/Lass → Sapper
Bandit → Brigand

[TYPO FIXING]
ballistican → ballistician
rouge → rogue
sergant → sergeant
brusier → bruiser
spector → specter
Arch-Sage → Archsage
War Sage → Warsage

[ExponentialSamy]

I really love that work. The amount of factions, branching paths, and unique classes packed in here is insane, I could genuinely sink hours into just mapping out every promotion line before even touching the gameplay. The fact that even enemy-only factions like Wildlife and The Visage get full class trees instead of just being reskins is such a nice touch.

A couple thoughts though:

1. Please tell me mounted classes are on the roadmap at some point or perhaps in another project? Right now it feels like a noticeable gap in an otherwise stacked chart.
2. Not gonna lie, “Bladesman” feels like a bit of a downgrade from “Mercenary” as a class name lol. Mercenary just has more weight to it. Skirmisher is fine, though

Also Devil Lancer might be my favorite class name/design on this whole chart. It looks edgy but not in a corny way, super into it.

Anyway, seriously impressive work, can’t wait to see where this goes.

[Samson776]

yeah, originally i called it ‘bladesman’ because they got access to the ‘blade’ weapon type, which is distinct from swords akin to how berwick saga does it, but it would force me to make an alt class for the female version with ‘bladelass’, so ive decided to revert back to just mercenary

and yeah, current wall im facing is I need to make a bunch of portraits before continuing to work on gameplay, but my motivation is lacking

and some of the enemy classes will be accessable playerside, some but not all of them

oh, as for mounted units, I dont intend to include any playerside, as I find mounted/flying units annoying to balance, there will be lore reasons for a distinct lack of horses/pegasai/wyverns, that and… this chart is already huge enough, adding mounted trees will just double it

[ExponentialSamy]

Sounds good! I thought at first that blades were the same as swords, just like Vanilla. Pretty cool to do this, in order to make mercenaries more than just “Myrms with more def/con but less speed”! It gives her distinct personnality, I like it.

Fair for the mounted classes! tbh, with how huge the chart is, I wouldn’t mind even more clatter lol

Anyway, can’t wait to play it! Good luck on the portraits, hope you’ll keep going!

[Samson776]

mabye if FE:FR ever gets finished, I can expand the class chart even more for the next title/itteration so its comparable to the hell that is dies emblem

[ExponentialSamy]

Good luck for the release then! Can’t wait to get to play to FR

Can’t wait to play a static pupil lol