I also find this claim a little dubious myself and that was something that caught my eye. I definitely do not want to discredit the amount of hours and difficulty it takes to make a rom hack, but from what little experience I’ve had in febuilder, the changes made don’t seem to require too much effort. Especially with the minimal map changes, I do wonder how exaggerated that claim is. Atleast with the unit changes, most can be done quite easily I believe, but I might be completely wrong. I personally have never done anything more than changing a few character stats and making minimal map changes. I wonder how difficult it was to put this together. It would be interesting to hear from someone with more experience with febuilder proper.
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If you want my opinion, most of these changes are pretty easy to make from a dev standpoint and it also doesn’t take as much time as most people think to play a fire emblem game. Even if you accrue all playtesters hours (which somehow the game ended up like this in spite of apparently more than 2 playtesters running through the whole shebang), thousands of hours feels like a gross exaggeration.
Unless my joke about hundreds of hours spent on arguing over petty and stupid things was correct, which is probably my guess on where all the dev time went lmao
(If 25 people spend 3 hours arguing over one minor change then you get a collective total of 75 hours!)
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Well, at least they got your last name.
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As someone who made a rebalance of FE8, I can testify in favor of these two points.
And in no way whatsoever would I ever consider my hack to be the “perfect” way to play FE8.
So I’m also raising my eyebrow towards their thousand-hours-of-work claim. IMO any amount of work, even minimal, is and can be worthy of respect, but this one FE7 work is… very weird.
Yeah no scratch that: definitely feeling weird about this “PERFECT” FE7 Romhack.
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I’ll be honest, as soon as I saw Wo Daos were made to be 1-2 range, I stopped watching the video. Changes like that are just wack.
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The term “Perfect” can be subjective, and I do think with Rebalances especially its very biased towards what the creator believes is fair and proper.
If it is their first romhack, im glad they’re showing the scene more love, albeit not really mentioning the creators and the actual tools that made the hack possible.
I’ll give benefit of the doubt for their “countless hours” claim. At least for me, getting even a character’s stats early on felt like a mountain (before I really ENGAGED with the community as a whole, which is another layer of difficulty not being integrated)
Changes that were implemented might not seem impressive to the more veteran of us, but the average joe seems to like it, which is completely fine
I do wish they can work on a custom project though, you can see the passion behind it
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Oh, I’m sure it was thousands of hours worth as a labor of love…. by 7743 and crew putting together such comprehensive tools and patches, also to the person’s romhack they built upon and didn’t credit in the video after mentioning their unintentional patching of the Mine glitch at around 20:52.
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Not trying to be that guy but he did mention mkol in the beginning of the video and states that it was his rom hack that was the base for the QOL stuff added
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It’s important to be fair about these things and it’s good that he did give credit in the video for the base patch.
I guess when I was reading the video description, I was hoping to see some kind of explicit credit to mkol and 7743/FEBuilder at bare minimum. A shoutout to FEU would’ve been cool and introduced our community to a whole new audience of people that might be interested in playing the many other ROM hacks that our community has developed over the years. Would’ve been a nice gesture.
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I’m not denying that, I’m just saying they probably didn’t have the experience of knowing how to use FEB (assuming this is their first romhack).
I think its reasonable to want to ensure people are properly credited. As Ive stated though, people who arent well integrated don’t have the resources to troubleshoot/work as fast as we do. Which is why I echoed my experience on “Countless Hours”
How starved for attention are yall to the point where you guys get butthurt over an Fe7 rebalance. Yall don’t even hack Fe7 anymore lol. He made this hack for his audience and because he didn’t personally mention FEU yall get your feelings hurt lol. All cause yall want free clout.
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Pretty much this. The vanilla Fire Emblem fanbase is already bad enough but for this era, yeah no I’m not taking those people seriously. Im currently playing the romhack and it turns out really good in my perspective.
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I mean he is getting a lot of clout himself (and ad revenue even) off of stuff made by this community while not even giving the tamest of shout outs beyond a credit list you have to dig for and a mention of mkol.
I don’t think its genuinely malicious I think the average person just doesn’t think about stuff like this, but it would be nice if the video at least mentioned that the various anims and patches they used were made by the community.
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Yeah so this I what I meant about butthurt over no free clout. The guy’s main/active channel has 254K subs so he actually lost clout on this. He has more of a obligation to credit what he used(Something that he did) than to use HIS platform to promote FEU(Something he also did). He added links to the FEU website in the description, he links the credits in the patch link(hell he even links to the repo in the credits) but because he didn’t shake everyone hand and say “I owe FEU for this one” yall make a thread and cry about not getting recognized. The genuinely malicious part is whining about this because he didn’t shout out FEU loud enough to stroke your egos. It’s okay to want free clout bro, you just shouldn’t lie about it.
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He did about two hours ago, after I left a comment about it. Observe a previous post;
I don’t think people here are assuming malicious intent like you seem to be, those links simply did not exist at the time leaving a bad aftertaste.
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I believe that if SmithPlays didn’t boast about his hack being the “perfect” version of the game - putting the word PERFECT so prominently on the title of his video - and instead was more humble and talked about it simply being his own take of a rebalance of FE7 made for fun, then it would not be as open to constructive criticism as it is being right now.
It’s very simple common sense: the more you boast about your project being PERFECT (which again, like other users already mentioned, it’s a VERY strong word that should not be used so lightly), the more open to criticism people will be of it. NOT with malicious intent.
Example from other posts here: not everyone considers giving Wo Dao 1-2 range ‘Perfect’.
The fact that he didn’t seem to use the word ‘Perfect’ on his older Legacy hacks for Pokémon, when compared to his Fire Emblem 7 Legacy hack, also is something to consider.
My take is that, after he made his Pokémon Legacy hacks, he got very into it through both his fame and experience, resulting in him being more boastful when making the FE7 hack and, as expected, ended up being more open to criticism from FE players.
This thing about criticism is not just from Fire Emblem: ANY other community of ANY other game series would do the same if you try to advertise your mod/hack of the game as the ‘Perfect’ way to experience it (and of course, there are communities out there that are MUCH worse).
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So the issue isn’t the criticism itself but its more the kneejerk reaction to a clickbait title. The guy even explains what he means by perfect less than a minute into the video. Making up what you think happened doesn’t matter because at the end of the day its a clickbait title for a youtube video. If people were engaging with the changes and discussing them maybe I’d believe you about the criticism but no, people are just disagreeing with the changes regardless of the reason. Yeah, 1-2 Wo Dao may not be for you but given his reasons (Presumably not wanting to add too much new stuff, give sword masters more 1-2 options) it tracks and is honestly a harmless change that only helps sword master compete with hero(A class that is historically better in FE7). The criticism isn’t even good. People are not thinking through their criticisms as much as you think. Like the cost per use change being bad because weapons are more expensive as if money was a genuine worry in vanilla fe7. Oh suddenly we’re worried about the funds rank, be so for real. Like yeah “perfect”, he exaggerated. Its clickbait. Youtubers do this all the time. Am I saying clickbait is good, no. But am I fabricating scenarios to attribute hubris to someone I’ve never met, also no. Talking about boasting and the boasting in question is just clickbait. Then all of a sudden nobody understands exaggeration? Yall are hilarious
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Honestly I think the problem is that there’s a huge cultural difference between how Pokemon fans and how FE fans see romhacks and the like. And because SmithPlaysPokemon is more culturally attuned to his culture, there will definitely be a few mistakes made due to being culturally blind.
Mission trip knowledge truly does come in handy, never thought I’d use it for this tho lol
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We have been discussing the changes though. You’re just handwaving us and saying “You’re just having a knee-jerk reaction.” People have gave explanations for why they’re being more critical of it due to him saying it’s “perfect” him explaining himself early on doesn’t magically change the words meaning and make it any less of a loaded statement. If you want to genuinely discuss the changes and how it changes unit and weapon identity, then that’s fine, but to me it just seems like you want to get mad to get mad at us for not being immediately positive about.
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Then go ahead and like Rye_on_Speed’s post right now (at the time of this posting the last users who liked it was Me–>ShinriKiyaru–>Spring). Like Rye (and myself) said, the clickbait approach on his video for the algorithm is awful (and even you yourself said clickbait is not good).
You would not be defending him with such an aggressive tone if he was instead a rando on the streets. That’s just how things is: the first impression of someone can sour your view of them, even if later on we can start warming up to them. Gradually.
Anyway that’s all I have to say about this, I probably didn’t make my points clear because I hate being part of discussions in the first place, but I still wanted to say my piece. Have a good one.
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