Is Moulder's C staves really a point in his favor?

Hi! I watched a video by FireEmBros about Clerics being an overrated class amongst the FE community, he claimed that Moulder is among the overrated Clerics in the series, with one of his reasons being his C rank in staves.

He argued that having a C rank in staves in the early game isn’t much of an advantage since you won’t gain anything to use the C rank in staves. The earliest C rank stave you get is in chapter 10, and you get Natasha 5 chapters earlier.

I’d argue that in an Ironman setting, Moulder could be quite useful with pulling him from the bench if you’re in need of a staver, but lost one at some point, since having the C rank in staves wouldn’t require any sort of grinding.

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Yeah the best quality of Moulder’s is the fact that you can just bench him for a chapter or two and he doesn’t really care. He hits A rank almost by accident and doesn’t need the constant love and attention that the other fe8 staffers do to hit a good rank in such a short game.

The bristling at his high placement may come from the fact that LTC tier lists of fe8 place Moulder in the top 3, a ridiculously high scoring for such a no frills unit. This is because fe8 as an LTC game has so little going on outside of Seth that “low effort Seth taxi for the last 5 maps” is a more valuable niche than 90% of the cast. This ties into my belief that LTCs hold too much power over casual tier lists, but Moulder is still a fundamentally solid unit.

His qualities are ever unchanging, like some kind of rock, or boulder perhaps.

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Yeah but Moulder can Frontline better than any other staffer.

Also I wouldn’t trust people who make videos about fire emblem on YouTube. Their opinions may be bad.

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Speaking from the Sethless LTC side of things, Moulder is still fantastic for the same reasons, having essentially guaranteed warp access with very low effort. I like using Natasha quite a bit, but she needs such constant deployment and staff grinding to even think about warp. Artur and Saleh aren’t quite as tough but still need near 100% staff grinding to get there on time for chapter 16. Moulder by comparison can outright be benched for a couple of chapters and still hit A staves effortlessly, even S staves after promoting from warp exp. Latona has a niche use in endgame too for safe Lyon kills.

This is all beside the fact that healing for the entire game is useful unto itself, like in chapter 9 where a lot of weak player units are facing a lot of combat.

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Moulder very much works because fe8 is fe8

Fe8 is a short game where you get warp in ch15 and no other (reasonable) use for Hammerne. The maps are almost never turnfloored and generally take as long as the player goes.

If FE8 was like a longer campaign Moulder would easily be outclassed by like Artur and Saleh. However Moulder and Saleh work in tandem together in both routes realistically. Even in the context where Saleh monopolizes the barrier staff + tethys to reach warp on Eirika route Moulder can still help out as a second warper before Saleh is ready + allows for additional repositioning.

Tldr artur is a cringe loser who should never warp

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I don’t think his C-staves is that big of a deal, nor is it notably important.

Both can do the same job for most of the game. Use Heal and Torch.

You don’t need Restore unless you go B route, and only in Ch14. Ch16 warrants its use but this is way too late for initial staff rank to be a notable factor.

You don’t get Barrier until 12A or 13B.

Recover isn’t necessary as Mend is sufficient for the whole game, if you do need it it is in Ch14’s secret shop on both routes.

Both Natasha and Moulder will have C-Staves by then, regardless of which you use. Moulder has extra staff rank, but you don’t need it for that part of the game.

Rescue requires saving the NPCs in Ch17, it can have niche uses in certain maps afterwards.

Sleep and Berserk are incredibly hard to obtain in non-JP versions, Silence has so few targets it is mostly worthless.

Warp is useful; Moulder needs little investment to hit A-staves. Natasha can hit it without too much effort as well, as you have plenty of time to spam Barrier or Torch in the maps before you even get Warp.

Fortify is overkill and not usually used, Latona is powerful but shouldn’t be needed unless something goes horribly wrong.

As such, most of the game’s staff usage boils down to Heal/Mend to keep units alive, Torch to deal with FoW and Recover to deal with the few status staff users and Stone Gorgons.

Both can do the job without any real investment beyond using them to do their job. Warp is arguably the only staff that seriously warrants consideration given its rank requirement and obtain time.

As for their performance outside of initial staff rank, Natasha is arguably slightly better, counterintuitively.

Natasha’s biggest advantage is not her growths or her alternative promotion to Valkyrie, but her 6 base LCK.

Natasha joins with 18 HP and 2 DEF; low, but you’d be hard pressed to find anything that can kill her in one hit for a few maps, surprisingly. You can safely expose her to a Javelin or even a Hand Axe for the most part with just her bases as she can survive it without issue. Moulder on the other hand, risks getting crit by basically everything, meaning putting him on the frontlines is very unsafe, and his head start and difference of 2 HP is way too low of a margin to be notable, especially as the first Guiding Ring is liable to go to Artur or Lute.

Natasha will overall do a better job of not dying on the frontlines due to not facing crit, and still being able to take a hit for the most part; by the time her bulk comes into question, Guiding Ring #2 is on its way and is enough to patch up the problem.

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Lmao pandan, why the skepticism? no hate or nothin just genuinely curious

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would YOU trust someone who makes fe vids?

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Yea with C rank in staves, he has a lead compared to the other two staff units who start with D rank in staves, it should let him use the powerful staves like warp relatively quicker when you get it. But in casual play I don’t think that it’ll make much of a difference anyway since the player will probably grind in the tower of valni anyway.

do fee3 trailers count?

Also I trust Zoran.

no because they promise me link and it’s never there…

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I mean, it’s definitely a point in his favor that he has base C in staves. It doesn’t make him the Seth of staff use or anything like that, but it’s still something he just Has with zero investment required, and it’s not like he doesn’t get WEXP for using staves while Natasha does or anything, so any staff use with him just puts him even further ahead in that respect.

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C Staves in Chapter 2 is really good in a point in the game where what’s commonly seen is like E or D staves. Moulder also has a monopoly on staff usage for 1-2 more chapters than the rest of the healers in GBA-FE, and is more splashable than Natasha because of his bulk. As others have brought up, he doesn’t need to lift more than like 2 fingers to reach warp while the other staffers need to basically need to use their staves all the time to have decent rank.

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There was this really awful FE hack tuber from a few years ago that forever broke Pandan’s trust in Fire Emblem Youtube content.

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I’d argue that Moulder having base C rank in staves is still very useful. Because, even if you don’t get any C rank staves until chapter 10… if you continue to use Moulder as your main staffer up to that point, his staff rank will only grow higher. Potentially reaching B or A rank. Enough to use status staves and Warp respectively.

My point is, he would be able to reach this high rank naturally, and would not require any grinding. As opposed to a promoted Lute, or any other secondary staff user, who would very much need to grind to get that high of a staff rank.

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The mustache is a point in his favor

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yeah and i dont trust those. they could malware, i dont wanna risk it.

Higher staff rank also just means access to higher rank staves which give more Exp and thus he accelerates more than others. if L’Arachel had A staves, she’d be able to get Exp way faster and maybe even promote in a reasonable timeframe despite her level. Now she’s stuck with D rank and Mend Exp.

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