If you could make any boss recruitable, what would that be?

The question is simple! You’ve been given unlimited power by IntSys, as they’ve decided that your favorite playable roster is just… one too short. However, they wouldn’t just make a new character, why not save on assets? They’ll simply reuse a boss character, and make them recruitable!

Basically, if you could choose any boss from any game to be recruitable, who would it be? Bonus points if you can give me an actually good reason, too! Be it mechanical, story, unique class, anything! What is your favorite random red goober, and why would they be better doused in blue paint?

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FE3/12 Spoilers

It would be cool if you could revive Hardin with the Aum staff. In his dying moments he returns to his original persona with the Darksphere removed. The Aum staff is in a very difficult spot requiring Warp to obtain (I’ve never gotten it’s side objective given how difficult the Dragon’s Altar is already.)

It would make the ending a lot better Hardin returned as a good king because as is its stupid that Marth inherits everything. Did nobody learn any lessons? Why give Marth more power than Hardin ever had? Who’s to say Gharnef can’t return again, who at this point has magically brainwashed so many, again and corrupt Marth who now has ultimate power to abuse?

There may very well be explanations in one of the many untranslated Archanea manga or novels about the limits of the Aum Staff or Gharnef’s powers…

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The aum staff is a really good way to make that work! That actually would be pretty interesting. Honestly, I think that’s one of the better picks from FE3/12 outside of the very early bosses with no real story, tbh. Nice pick!

As I’m currently playing Thracia for the first time, I find that the capture quotes of certain bosses to be really fascinating. Most of them are actually grateful if spared, which would be an interesting hack idea if you could recruit them in the vein of Archer’s FE6 and FE7 boss recruitment hacks. It paints most of them as sympathetic, moreso than most of the other games in the series. The tricky thing is that most bosses in Thracia have really good stats, so they tend to be absurd if they’re recruited in the chapters they fought in with the exception of my choice: Alphand.

Alphand is grateful for you releasing him if you capture him, which is interesting considering the other Loptyrian mages spite you for capturing them. My two main reasons for choosing him above all the other bosses are gameplay and worldbuilding.

Gameplay - He serves as a back up dark magic user if Salem isn’t recruited or dies. Considering that you never got a playable dark mage in Genealogy, Thracia giving you two helps differentiate it a lot. I personally like using tools normally inaccessible by the player and dark magic is one of them in the Jugdral world. All of his items would be left as is because you recruit him a few chapters before the finale and his stats don’t need to be edited for the same reasons. Having a 3-10 range poison tome would feel cathartic in the player’s hands, considering you can’t use poison weapons at any point. Also, you get an A rank staff user to help combat the last chapters of Thracia, where staff users are very handy to have around. He would have a support with Salem and Sara.

Lore/Worldbuilding - This is where Alphand really shines. Keep it mind, this is my headcanon, but I believe that Alphand would leave the cult after speaking with Salem and Sara. He sees this opportunity as a chance for redemption, dedicating the rest of his life to use his magical talents for good. His recruitment would provide Leif with an insight into the Loptyrian cult - How they recruit magicians, what Loptyr represents in their minds, and the location of the child abductees so they are rescued in the future. Of course, the rest of Leif’s army would object to this recruitment, but Leif would see the good in Alphand, reminding them of Salem’s recruitment into the Dandelion Thieves and Sara’s recruitment. Considering there isn’t support conversations in Thracia, this works instead.

I have a list of other bosses that I would spare including:

Rumei - He’s my second choice. Dude really wants to be a good dad to his kids, and I think him fighting to end the Loptyrian cult’s influence to save his children from future harm works. He would support Hicks and Dalsin, as they are all family men. Perhaps he would know about the Yied Desert Massacre and feel some guilt by association having been in the Thracian army.

Gomez - The most sympathetic boss in the game and most people’s choice. Gomez is the first point where Leif realizes that the reality of South Thracia is a tragic cycle. If he lived, he would try to find forgiveness from Dagdar and teach Leif what life in South Thracia really looks like. I like to think he would be a good uncle to Tanya in this timeline. Gameplay wise, he would be among the most broken units in the franchise if he was recruitable, no strings attached.

Paulus - Very much against Tarrah’s invasion, Paulus questions why King Blume is acting in this way. If captured, he says he plans to “take responsibility”, which could either mean suicide or return to Blume presumably executed for failing his mission. Leif would convince him that he could make it up to his soldiers and the people of Tarrah if he fought for the liberation army instead (this is a bit of a stretch I know). While he is simply a baron of the Grannvale Empire, my headcanon is that he’s from Friege and wishes for it to flourish like Lorenz with Grust. His ending could follow Arthur and Tine as a guardian over them, despite the fact that they don’t appear in the game. Gameplay wise, his stats are cracked and having automatic A ranks in every weapon type and staves makes him outclass like most of the cast. However, his recruitment would lead into…

Palman - Paulus’ brother (gotta give recolors a reason to exist other than gameplay) and a B route exclusive character. He is very much against the Loptyrian cult’s practices alongside Amalda. To recruit him, have Paulus talk to him. Paulus would convince him that even the actions of one person could spark a great change if they’re motivated as he was convinced by Leif’s words. With resolve, Palman plans to end the cult, even if he dies trying. In contrast to his brother, Palman would retire in his ending as it’s hinted in his capture quote that he goes home. He’ll serve as a contrast to Xavier, with better stats, a less painful recruitment, and having higher weapon ranks in swords and lances versus Xavier’s abundant skills and axe and bow weapon ranks.

Cohen - Saias deserves some happiness in his life, so his grandfather gets to live! A bulky magician with A rank staves, he actually isn’t super broken if he was to join the player. By this point, you already have some amazing staff users and mages. He just makes Saias’ ending much happier now that the high priest has a home to go back to after the war.

There are more bosses, but I wrote a lot already for this post.

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Probably Lloyd or Linus, being next Samson and Arran (my hated archetype) in Elibe :v

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Zola, specifically in Birthright. In Birthright, everything is set up precisely for his “redemption” and joining the team. He gets a surprising amount of story focus after he is defeated, hanging out with the team and even saving Takumi, but IS refuses to make him playable. Sure, he is there to then betray you, but when he rejoins Garon in the opera house, he is clearly affected by Corrin’s kindness, begs to spare her and is regretful about his choice. And then they get rid of him!

Make him playable, damn it. You can still have Garon murk him to show how unforgiving and evil he is, but have him wash up on the shore afterwards and rejoin the team as a playable character, or something. Lots of potential there. Story wise, it would strengthen the idea of Birthright Corrin being able to actually bend and convince seemingly evil Nohrians through their compassion and redeem them, something the path really lacks. As a nefarious trickster and a Nohrian who already betrayed the team once and is regretful about it, he’d be able to bounce off many of the Hoshidan characters in supports, and being an illusionist gives plenty of opportunities for support convo gimmicks. Gameplay wise, it would give the Birthright path a dark mage, and BR already gives you some Nohrian classes already (like Silas), so I don’t see why not have Zola slot in as the BR path’s dark mage.

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That’s an easy choice. For me, it would definitely be Camus, Michalis, Gharnef, or Medeus from FE1/FE3/FE11. Why these four? Because they’re incredibly powerful and undeniably awesome. Honestly, they’re Camus, Michalis, Gharnef, and Medeus. Do they really need any further justification?

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Miniboss, but I always thought it’d be cool if you could recruit Joshua. He always kills one of my guys and he has his own death quote and everything

“My luck.. finally ran out”

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I once had a fever dream when I had Duessel speak to Selena in Chapter 13b, Fluorspar’s Oath. She refused to stand down, and then Ephraim landed the killing blow. Interestingly, in my fever dream, Selena did not die, but instead fled to the capital of Grado. There, at the start of the next chapter, she had a rather melancholic and dire conversation with Emperor Vigarde, where she finally came to accept that man she so admired had died a long time ago.

She ended up appearing in Chapter 14b as an enemy, but speaking to her with Ephraim allowed me to recruit her to the team! It was awesome. Then I woke up. So, yeah, I’d say it would be awesome to be able to recruit Selena in Sacred Stones. RIP to the Fluorspar.

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FE7 Erik.

He recruits himself like Oliver does, and no one is happy with this.

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Joshua’s not even a boss

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“…Erik, why are you here, dressed in battle gear? We defeated you.”

“I’m here to join your army. My father abandoned me, the lout, and now I want to teach him a lesson.”

“Erik. Please go talk to the enemy commander and get things sorted so I can beat you up again.”

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Lyon.

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Clarisse from FE12. It could easily work by Marth’s Army actually taking her hostage if Athena survives as she would remember Clarisse helping to rescue some kids from the Soothsires remnants and thus convince Marth that she is not completely evil. Then she could have some scenes where she is shown to be warming up to the group and feeling for the first time… that there’s people that care for her other than Katarina and thus make her question her loyalty to Eremiya. She could also could be able to recruit Katarina as well instead of only Kris being the one able to do it.

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Denning (FE7)

The “This is a message from Lord Nergal. I await you on the Dread Isle." Morph

I just imagine it being like a joke recruitment where we ask Dennis to please lead us to Dread Isle.

“We would love to visit Lord Nergal sir Denning, but we would need a guide to reach him.”

Although I am not sure who exactly would be foolish enough to try this, maybe Isadora because she wasn’t there when they went to Dread Isle so she doesn’t know. And besides, it would be so wonderfully strange and hidden that it fits FE7’s Secret Chapter/Character Requirements.

And then he just kinda tags along. Who knows, maybe we can even have an arc where he becomes a hero. I once saw a boss recruitment mod that has an epic Nergal boss convo where he said “Lord Nergal. I await you.” or something to show he has grown and use his single sentence as means of overpowering him.

I can also imagine a few interest support conversations where Denning is shown to be quite the good listener or maybe where he is studied closely which he permits without issue. Like his supports grow fast because he doesn’t put up a barrier, someone wants to talk to him, he listens.

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Fe6 has my favorite cast, both in playable characters, and in its rouge’s gallery of bosses. It’s why I usually play archerbias’s boss recruitment patch just to have some additional fun options even if they are hilariously balanced, fitting for fe6’s fun but definitely odd unit balancing.

There’s many bosses to talk about, my personal favorites being the toxic yaoi kings Roartz and Arcardo, and the route exclusive bosses Scollan and Roberts with Roberts in particular being a funny case as he has no dialogue in the route he shows up as a unit in, and is hard mode exclusive which is a pretty unique trait which makes the otherwise unassuming paladin boss rather interesting.

However, from a narrative perspective (which I tend to value the most), I think the fe6 boss I would make recruitable would be Flaer.

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The likely not very popular subordinate to Narcian gets pretty screwed over by him in the story, being held responsible by Narcian for his own failures in the Western Isles and ultimately being left behind in chapter 13, even moreso when Percival also decides to leave (or get recruited if you’re really fast). Ultimately, he is still loyal to Bern, however a clear grudge for Narcian would brew from this, so I can see him begrudgingly joining Roy’s army to get back at him for this when backed into a corner. The main issue is gameplay wise, because having a wyvern lord join the same map as Melady is pretty unfavorable for Melady which is honestly impressive for Flaer, but to be fair fe5 kinda does this with Dean and Eda, but that’s a little different since its clear Eda is supposed to be a training project while Melady is designed to be good at base and kinda similar to Minerva but in a different-ish way. So to not mess with how Melady works, I would delay his actual recruitment until a later chapter, although ultimately I do not think you could do that AND have him get revenge on Narcian, which is fine, things happen. I’d have him join at chapter 21 as an optional reinforcement if you don’t just kill him in chapter 13 and talk to him with some relevant unit like maybe Melady or Roy or maybe even Clarine (or the super secret Ward recruit!). Another option could have him temporarily join until chapter 16 in which case he’ll leave and rejoin either against Zephiel or against Brunnya, whichever feels more narratively satisfying to you (I kinda like making his rejoin be good ending exclusive ngl).

Now I know what you’re all probably thinking, why not Slater instead?

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He has a very similar tale to Flaer after all and he only kinda screws over Bors and even then not by much since Bors is a fast armor knight while Slater likely is better stats Barthe. I hear you, and I get it. And honestly, you’re right. So you know what, remove everything about Flaer and make Slater recruitabe as every fe fan would love for him to be, I’m sorry for ever talking about Flaer, please forgive me.

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Someone already mentioned Denning, but another odd choice I think of off the top of my head is Miklan.

The problem, in my brain, is that Hanneman isn’t recruitable until the next month. Think about it: Miklan’s mad and upset b/c Sylvain was born w/ a crest and he wasn’t, and Hanneman’s trying to make Crests available. Their motivations line up- it’s their methods that conflict.

The other problem, of course, is that he fucking dies and that death is a lorebuilding point. Is he an asshole? Yeah. Just write him growing out of being an asshole, even if not out of being bitter.

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As someone who absolutely loves weirdos, Denning especially, I can totally agree with this one. He feels so fun, and I’d love to do something with him in a potential hack. Just figuring out a way to make this morph with an emotionless face and one sentence avaliable to him have supports already sounds awesome.

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Okay so both of these are genuinely fantastic, ngl. Flaer especially. While I agree that him joining would make Milady irrelevant, Milady is dumb, stupid, and red anyway. She clearly didn’t get the blue unit memo. Thus, Flaer is superior.

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I like think Binks since he’s a Mercenary by trade but Warrior by class. His Stat line is somewhat like Garcia’s if you get him going and he is pretty cool looking. Given Eirika Route he would be handy if you fail to utilize Neimi since he has bow access but you do get Innes a map later when the Fliers show up by the end of the Ch.10 and Dozla on Ch.11 before the mountain map with the Gargoyles. He might feel a little redundant but having a Pre-promoted Warrior would be awesome gotta love ‘em

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