[FE8] [Complete] Fire Emblem: Crowns and Thrones

Ah, that makes a lot of sense.

Hopefully I’m not overstepping here, feel free to ignore me if I am, but I think maybe you could reflavor that section to be a little bit more dynamic.

I notice that there’s another boss there, Johann. Though I haven’t gotten super far in the map, it seems like he might be there just to provide leadership stars, as there’s only one key, and that is stuck in Lefric’s room.

I think it would be a lot more interesting if Waldon and Lefric started together, in the center or top room, and Johann was instead locked in the rightmost room with a large predoployed army of high move units. Then, have a fair amount of thieves among the reinforcements/starting squad in the middle room, and (maybe) change the door between the center and left rooms into a breakable wall. This would give the player a few more options.

  1. The player could rush the exit with everyone, breaking the wall with the center army and getting out fast (which would then allow the thieves to free Johan’s group, putting them on a major timer)
  2. The player can kill all the thieves and just play defensively to make sure Johan never gets out and have Reginald fight the left side by himself (basically what the map is now)
  3. The player can intentionally let the thieves open the doors, and then jump Johan to remove his leadership stars, making Reginald’s job a little easier, but at high risk to Walton’s group.

Idk, I just find it weird as the map is currently, with Johan kinda not doing much, and Lefric’s small squad being locked in a room with 5 enemies.

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[spoiler] Well, if the player is taking too long to escape, the door of Johann’s room will open up automatically. Johann is way too strong to fight against, which means that walton will with 100% certainty not survive. The idea was that Lefric could open the door to the central room and buy walton more time to run from Johann until Reginald finally escapes.

Your ideas are also quite interesting to be honest. And I might use them if more people might have problems with the map. Thanks alot!
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Just beat the hack, it’s really, really good. I beat the last 5-6 maps in one sitting, wanted to write some quick thoughts/feedback before I forgot stuff.

Good Thing 1: Unit Diversity
Crowns and Thrones generic units are designed better than some hack’s (and official game’s) named units. Every unit has a custom, tailored inventory that is always helpful for a situation without outright solving it, their stats are impactful, but low enough to punish you for just throwing them out without a plan, and the class skills provide an excellent source of unit identity and utility to each type. I love that mercenaries become mobility kings that can give your commanders extra tiles of movement, or save clutch units from overextending. Archers become crucial build-around units, blood tide is so useful for squeezing out some extra damage for a one shot, and their range allows them to chip from spots that maximize the amount of units that can be next to them.

I do have a few small caveats here, though. There were some classes, like the myrmidon, that I just didn’t get the point of, they always seemed too frail and too weak to really meaningfully take advantage of their skills. Other units, like the fighter, are really cool when the player gets to use them, but they suck as enemies, because death blow introduces a lot of rng in terms of damage potential. Another thing is that some commanders imo have really lackluster or lame skills; for example: William, Johann, Humphrey, and Eadgifu. Finally, while this is wholly personal preference, I would have liked to see an additional generic unit type or two for the second act of the game to keep things fresh.

Good Thing 2: Chapter 9

Chapter 9 is, in my opinion, the best map in the game, and one of the best FE hack maps I’ve played recently.

The goals are very simple, defeat a boss, capture a city, move on. The first thing that I really love about this map is the cast: you more-or-less work your way through the entire second gen cast as playables or enemies or both in this map, and this map has a ton of hype reinforcements on both sides.
The second thing that is really incredible about it is how it turns one of the main mechanics of the game on its head. For most of the game now, you’ve pretty much exclusively won when the enemy leadership hits 0 (and then you seize a point or escape or what have you). For this map specifically, even though there are a billion bosses, Hidayat is the only win condition, and I think this is genius. For the most part, Hidayat can be beaten (albeit very unreliably) with most bosses still alive. So there’s this push-and-pull of drawing in and killing bosses at the cost of your generic units, and it is totally up to your skill to determine how reliable your clear is. If you don’t use your tools correctly, you can easily be staring down 5 bosses that are all within 6 squares of each other, but you could also have the opposite, where you’ve already baited and killed the pegasus and wyvern bosses, and you’ve rushed Humphrey’s squad, and you get to swarm the two right side bosses with Reginald’s squad while you wait for Hidayat to rush you.

And finally, I think this map is almost a perfect gameplay-story match. Reginald has to constantly pull out new allies because his old ones desert him, he has to aggressively sacrifice units for tempo, and he needs to take every advantage he can get to win. Hidayat, on the other hand, has basically everything he needs to win, all he needs to do is nothing. But he can’t do nothing, he talks too much and gives away his plans, and he runs into the fray because he wants to be the one to fight Reginald. It’s such a good story for a map.

The Weird Thing: RNG Hell and Weapon Balance

Okay, so after playing the entire game, I think my biggest critique of it is how often you are just at the complete mercy of the rng. Most units have anywhere from 2-10 skill, and most powerful weapons hover around the 65-75% hit rate, while weaker weapons can be anywhere from 85-100%. The main issue with this system is that weaker weapons are almost never used, most generics have very intentionally bad stats, meaning that a lot of your damage comes from using your limited silver and effective weapons carefully (and then cleaning up with more accurate weapons). Especially when you are at a leadership disadvantage, this often comes down to risking a unit’s life on a 40% poleax hit rate, or a 65% zanbato. Some maps make you deal with these coin toss a ridiculous amount of times per turn, and while it is unlikely that all of those hits will miss, I’d rather be guaranteed to hit half of these attacks, then have the chance to hit all of them. This also happens a lot with skills, enemy fighters, as I mentioned before, have death blow, but this also extends to bosses with sol/luna/colossus/adept/astra, and also to Walton, who died an embarrassing amount of times to missing his first attack and not being able to galeforce after.

Perhaps the most crystalized example I can provide is the sleep staff. The sleep staff is a 3-15 range (it should just be 1-15 range, same with physic, but I digress) status staff with 3 uses that shows up in a ton of maps. I think I’ve landed about 6 sleeps of the ~30 I’ve attempted. It’s honestly crazy. The staff has horrible hit, because most staff users simply do not have the magic to use it effectively, and it feels bad no matter what direction it goes. If you whiff all 3 sleeps, it feels horrible. If you hit all 3 sleeps on crucial enemies, it feels like cheating because you only had like a 25% chance max to hit them. Neither feels intentional, and it is so easily remedied by just changing the stats of the sleep staff or the units that use it. If the effect is too powerful, change the sleep timer to be 2 turns. If the uses are the issue, make it 1 or 2 uses.

There are a lot of weapons that also fall into this weird hole. The flanged mace is super powerful, but I would rather it be less powerful and have more accuracy. Siege Weapons and Ballistae have low hit to balance them out, but I would rather they be more accurate and have less uses, so you can just plan to get hit by them.

Granted, there are some ways around this accuracy problem, the immediate one that comes to mind are the mages, but it just feels like there are never enough tools to make any plan completely reliable.

Good Point 3: The Story
I am really tired so I don’t want to type out another super long section, but the story is really good. There’s a lot of solid parallels between characters, the protagonists all feel super different and are all written excellently, and there is a lot of great foreshadowing as well. For how short the hack is, the story is definitely memorable.

Anyways, thanks again for making this, had a ton of fun playing. I would highly recommend it

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Thanks so much for playing and taking the time to write all this! I will definitely try to improve some of the points you made in a future update. :grin:

Just Finished the hack and wow I had way more fun with this hack then I thought I would. The gameplay was very entertaining, being a mix of how to progress through maps without losing too many units (and equipment) and how to best utilize your commanders. The story was also very engaging that’s a lot of dead kings though but hey that’s how succession goes sometimes, and I loved the faction/house symbols. I definitely want to check out the Phantom King now, I know gameplay wise they’re different but I’m invested in this world now.

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Hey, thanks for checking this project out! And also nice to hear that it piqued your interest for The Phantom King.

I do advise anyone who’s interested in Phantom King to wait until I release the final update for it on the 15th this month. The reason: While making Crowns and Thrones I changed around some things regarding names for houses, places and backstories. Right now I am changing some things in Phantom King to fit better with Crowns and Thrones. Some things just don’t add up as of now between the two. So yeah, not only that but also a lot of bug fixes and QoL changes. Of course, to anyone that doesn’t care about such things, go right ahead.

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I really loved this romhack.
I was waiting about a year away for the full version, the romhack has an excellent story and characters, interesting and engaging mechanics, and good maps.

Thank you very much for this romhack, I enjoyed it a lot.

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just finish playing the prequel Fire Emblem: Crowns, Thrones and Rebellion I love the story and hope to find out what happen next to Hubert and Anney in this Hack

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Glad to hear it!

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But ehh…just so you know…
Hubert and Anney are original characters for the prequel and don’t appear in the main game. :sweat_smile: Though, a lot of other characters do. All Hubert is in Crowns and thrones is a name without a face in the Gluster Family tree since I originally didn’t have any plans to make him an actual character.

I do hope you will enjoy the hack though!

Sad I was really looking forward to follow their adventure in the future

Hello everyone,

For those wo do not know, I made a ‘CELICA’ entry a while ago. The entry is a prequel to ‘Crowns and Thrones’, so I have decided to also formally release it in this thread since I haven’t done so yet.

So, without further ado, here is a bonus chapter called: ‘Crowns, Thrones and Rebellion’.

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Patch:

(Patch this on a CLEAN Fe8 rom!)

I had a lot of fun making this and I might make more bonus chapters in the future!

Thanks for reading.

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Came here directly from Phantom King’s Thread. I did not expect to see two countries merged with each other… But then again, if Lennard was taking care of the kid, it makes sense that at some point he ends up being heir of both Garleanne and Dagnea. All this is just speculation, of course.

Edit: NO WAY! You used fire emblem holy war map sprites for this one! Gotta love you for that :heart_eyes:

Edit 2: man, this game sure is unique. I like it, but I also hope that Phantom King’s direct sequel is more similar to a conventional FE game.

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The best map sprites ever in my opinion. :sunglasses:

Yes, the gameplay of that one will be more traditional.

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In all seriousness, no matter how bizarre this game is, I am loving it. It is not as fanciful as normal Fire emblem games. Rather, it’s a very close documentary of the daily lives of nobility during The Middle Ages. So much treachery, goodness. I’m on chapter 9 right now and I’m loving every second of it. I just hope Reginald dies at the end, that’s all I’m asking.

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:smirk:

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Oh, he did better than just dying. He spent the rest of his life rotting in prison. Fantastic. You kept an open epilogue however, with Foulques and Maria competing for the throne… And with 3 certain people banishing like the wind, leaving Foulques wifeless and heirless back at home. I wonder if you want to keep expanding this world, either by making another game for Foulques and Maria or for the herald and friends. It was a nice experience and a good change from the usual FE game, even if I still prefer the usual.

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I have plans for both. I have already started working a bit on a game where ‘herald and friends’ will be going on an adventure of their own. But I’ll only work on it sporadically since my main focus will be on Phantom King’s sequel for now.

As for Foulques and Maria, I had not originally planned to do this , but I want to make a few more bonus chapters (maybe 3 or so, I think) where I will try to wrap up their conflict. It will be kind of a ‘bonus campaign’.

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Bonus chapters in this game, I’d assume?

Yes, just like ‘Crowns, Thrones and Rebellion’.

enjoying it so far, but I think i found a glitch. hitting start to skip the mid map cutscenes in ch2 causes Boudicca to not move and thus the other cutscenes involving her do not trigger.

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