Stop.
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Whats wrong with Ai art with portraits?
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Aside from ethics issues arising from feeding it pictures for references against artists’ wish (And no it’s not like a real human using reference pictures thanks to the very easy to understand difference that one is human and the other is not. In a human’s eyes reference pictures are not just data), it’s also just very bleak and depressing, as it discourages many artists to try to do their own stuff. Some people are openly sad and resigned about it, and some others are blindly happy about “not having to bother learning how to draw anymore”, which I think is just sad. It’s a creativity killer, a toy made for kids who don’t want to bother with improving their art and would rather let a robot do it for them, while simultaneously calling it their work. Some people may call all I just said “generic appeal to emotion” but I think emotion and art are indissociable concepts that belong with one another, and trying to exclude one is wrong.
If you want to start making portraits for your hack, I think it’s best to actually pick up a mouse, MS Paint, and start spriting. Sure, maybe you have “low artistic abilities” as some people previously said in this very thread, but there’s only one way your artistic abilities can go. Using AI art, your artistic abilities just don’t go anywhere.
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I agree with the idea of AI generated for spriting art since sprite art in general, at least for FE related works, are mostly cut from the original sprite works of the GBA FE games. I believe that while trying to make from scratch portraits and sprites is a great endeavor, ultimately, in my opinion at least, is that many of those that are too “original” are just …errr… too strange and uncanny when looked at.
I want to say that making a sprite portrait and actually drawing something, there is a sort of fundamental difference in that when drawing at least there is a larger artistic leeway for style, while for sprite portraits it’s much more limited since if you are going to make Fe portraits, it should stay as close to the actual FE style as possible. Not saying that there is anything wrong with trying to be different, but…I honestly do dislike when people make FE portraits that are just waaaay too different yet still claim it as so especially if it’s serious work (although, that’s pretty rare since I’m sure most people who make portraits are doing it for fun).
For fun and jokewise, it’s good for laugh but every time I see pixels that are all over the place, the faces that are just so offkey due to hard hand spriting or just edges that are way too sharp and portraits that look like it should be from another game, I can’t help but raise an eyebrow. I guess this does sound a bit close-minded and I don’t want to put anyone down since I’m sure people put lots of effort into their work but yeah. It’s one of the reasons why I’m not exactly a big fan of portrait making.
However I’m not saying it should just be copy and paste or just recoloring is better either, but in general if I’d have a choice I’d honestly would prefer those kind of FE portraits than the other, especially if the person is just starting out.
I think keeping as close as possible to the actual FE portraits tend to look much, much, much better than whenever you try to create something super original. So with how neat and clean the AI portraits (usually) tend to be, I really think it’s a great program to at least dabble with and a good potential for GBA FE sprite work. I understand the bad rep it gets for digital art and such, but I wish that more people would be opened to the idea of spriting with the AI program, or at the very least, not be so against it.
At least, that’s what I think. I hope I don’t come off too much as No-Fun allow.
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I think at this point, none of this has to do with the repository, so I’m moving this entire discussion elsewhere.
And moved. Anything else posted in the other topic will be moved here.
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You do have a good point and I agree with your stance that people might not want to bother with drawing because of what ai art provides but thats if they’re not driven to do so be their own accord.
One could just pick up a mouse and start making thier own thing or just use Ai art, it should be the own individuals choice decides whether they use it or not or if they decide to quit. But your reasonings are understandable.
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if nothing else, it’s probably worth explicitly marking AI-generated repo stuff so that future users don’t accidentally start training their models on AI-generated stuff
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Train the ai on the ai
/j
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Always gonna be iffy on AI Art because it’s like inadvertently stealing from the artists it’s trying to emulate.
Sure, it’s a fun little tool to play with as a filter for your pictures and all, but it’s unethical to be using a tool that’s basically copying artists without their permission.
Can’t stop it (short from committing a few major crimes), but I think we as a community need to step back and realize the ramifications of using a program like this can ultimately devalue our rules and values on hard work and honesty.
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Klok is a Marisa simp confirmed, since he wants to see more Marisa splices.
Can’t stop it (short from committing a few major crimes)
Do you want to take down the entire Internet? That’s the only way you’re going to stop AI from becoming more prevalent in all areas, I mean I’m sure Uncle Ted is looking for a successor, good luck.
how come whenever there’s some post about AI generated images, there’s always tits involved? 
anyway, since everyone has different opinions on the matter, i guess it’s worth reminding that not long ago there’s been a campaign against “AI art” that involved art platforms such as DeviantArt and the likes.
needless to say, it was not just a matter of “lack of creativity and/or emotions”, but rather a matter of copyrights, wich was pretty much the main reason that got people pissed off about it.
now, considering that here we are on a FE platform dedicated to fan games, and keeping in mind all the kind of resources provided in the repo, i guess it would probably be better( and safer, but that goes with anyone’s conscience in the end ) to add some rules in terms of what could be used for AI art, and what not.
given that the vanilla sprites have been used for splices to death and beyond( same goes for anything else involving .PNG files that got ripped from the 3 original GBA FE games ), it might be better to just leave those open for use, and eventually include all the repo material dubbed F2E, IF the artists who made those sprites agree with it.
as for myself, i’m not with or against AI art because i know for sure that it’s not going to replace human’s creativity and imagination anytime soon, or ever for that matter.
i consider it more of a tool to speed up workloads for generating “basic” material depending on how it is used( surely by NOT stealing art from others not willing to share their works ), but that’s all about it really.
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It seems whatever the corpus was used to train the model, the contents were extremely horny.
I’d argue that F2E means you allow all transformative work so training an AI model falls under it, but in general we need some kind of official rule that will make both sides at least content.
Why people can’t settle into something? Why there must be always argument over something?
AI Art is cool at some degree.
If people think it is bad to use it. The only thing that can be done is crediting the source images the script used and also saying was made by an AI.
We are on the internet, it is really troublesome to grasp something and defend it. You can create something and in the next day someone will copy and paste it.
Like. It is so hard to we all agree that this has good and bad things?
You say it as if it was easy. The models are trained on massive banks, so applying all the credits would take pages upon pages. And most models don’t even list them anyway. That’s the issue people tend to have with it apart from some philosophical stuff.
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Damn. God have mercy on our souls then.
University in a nutshell.
“you cannot resist the machines, protest is futile”
Okay Skynet lmao
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Then when a human being publishes a painting, he or she should be given the same credit.
You should give credit for all the pictures you have used as references, all the textbooks you have studied, and so on.
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I think DrawAI will do so within a few years at the latest.
AI will learn from the pictures AI draws.
This is because the preceding ShougiAI and others have already done so.
These game AIs already do not need human game records.
The AI will learn from the AI’s game records it fights the AI and loses itself.
It will only be a few more years before we can argue that AI is stealing human achievements.
This is similar to what some people said about ShogiAI.
AI is just imitating the game record found by humans.
However, as a result of technological development, human game records are no longer needed, and we have already passed that stage.
DrawAI will do the same in time.
Perhaps it will happen within a few years.
stable diffusion was released in August, NovelAI appeared in September, and as of October, more than 10% of the art that humans have submitted to pixiv so far has been drawn by AI.
Probably, now, more drawings have been drawn by AI than by humans so far.
Unlike game AI, DrawAI has a hard time making it clear that it is a lost game.
It would be an indicator of more shared drawings or less shared drawings.
Or a picture that was ordered to be retaken might be said to be a picture that was not good, and a picture that was saved by a human might be a good picture.
Good and bad paintings would be quantified based on these indicators, and the next generation of AI would learn from them.
Or, an AI will be developed that will generate that picture by trial and error as a target.
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My stance on this whole thing:
If you use other people’s work without explicit permission to fuel the AI, it’s wrong. Even if the AI doesn’t explicitly store the actual pictures.
However, if the program ever becomes publicly available, I belive it could be a fun tool to use. So I propose that whenever (if) it’s uploaded, we use a “raw” version, so to say. One that doesn’t have any data in it, and we then feed it only with vanilla GBA portraits. And official sprites and artwork from other games, if possible.
This way, no one’s work is being missused. And everybody wins.
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I think this discussion has lost meaning and we gain little from continuing like this. We don’t know IF and WHEN the tool comes out, it’s just an anon on 4chan. (I’m not requesting a mod to lock this, I’m just stating my opinion that at this point the discussion seems fruitless)
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