If the ink makes the tome inherently magic, the words written on it are either meaningless or unable to be fine-tuned by people other than mages.
In such scenario, people could use this ink on other surfaces and cast magic regardless, even on their own skin.
If the printer makes the tome inherently magic, where the words written on it are is meaningless as it is part of the printer’s function to create magic items, so magic can be extracted from any item as long as it passed through the printer, and misprints would hardly be affected.
If the tome is non-magical and printing tomes only creates more bland books without power, the words written on them are meaningless as characters such as Nino can showcase the ability to cast without being able to read, and so could other potential mages, and misprinted tomes would hardly have any effect.
Guys I made a whole essay up there about how magic works in Fire Emblem. Or at least, how it seems to work by the hints we are given through the games and that the user Permafrost united in one game. I think we could use this as a base to speak about tomes and magic.
I feel you are making too many declarative statements for what in fe is a very unknowen topic
I don’t know where you get this “Tome must be made in special way by magic people” I find this very uncreative, and regardless there is evidence that tomes are not as special to make
a direct counter point to your point is that in fe4 tomes can be repaired at a blacksmith, and can be forged in fe9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 17 by any blacksmith.
As such we can assume that tome maintenance an by extension creation is at least as hard, and common as weapon creation/maintenance.
I also doubt all these blacksmith are Master mages, some I doubt are even magical at all.
as such it is also reasonable that non-magically inclined people can make tomes.
WHAT? This is super lore dependent in terms of how countries function, and how the people function, and as such can not apply to every FE, fe 16 sure I see that, fe 6/7 nope Niime [she is well knowen and runs her own reasurch] is right there, fuck Raigh is right there, lugh, magic is not restricted in elibe
2.Uh what? this is true of all wepons??? someone can make a fake sword or display piece and pawn it off as a legitimate war tool. in fact if tome creation is specialized someone who knows how to make real tomes can pawn off convincing fakes, this is a story/world concept not an argument.
3.UHHH source? Oh you made it TF UP. Cool. again this is just made up fanfic to discredit someone else’s tome fanfic/Ideas
this is fanfic again, and ignores the phrasing, Alice’s pharsing is
This implies a mage enchants the tome after it is written as such it can still become a catalyst, as we don’t know how tomes become catalyst in every fe or if it even is true in every fe.
I know it’s been pointed out but Dark magic is meant to be more obscure than Anima and light as such it has even lower demand, and is also feared lessening creation and demand, I feel you are not thinking your argument through enough
Again you are just fanficing to disagree, who gives a shit what the books are made of? none of this is talked about enough in game to know, for all we know tomes have wood covers fuck it.
but to answer all of your questions WE DON"T KNOW AND WHO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT.
this lore isn’t focused on so however one interprets it is cannon complaint and valid.
The rest of what you said is not worth responding to, it is all meaningless dribble and fanfics.
Overall I feel you are just disagreeing for the sake of it, You keep making fanfic for these disagreements and keep interpreting others ideas in bad faith, asking questions to move the goal post instead of engaging the concepts, and when you do you just make up fanfic to disagree.
That’s exactly it. The ink itself is NOT magic, neither the paper or the leather. If you can chant magic without a book just by pronouncing the spell, why wouldn’t you be able to recreate the speel just by saying elfire?
Think about it like pressing an interruptor. To illuminate your room, you only need to press an interruptor and boom, light. You don’t need to know every single formula or the materials used, which aren’t actually so special, to make light in your room. Same with magic books. The book is made of normal materials, but you can use the magic in the book thanks to the specialist who wrote the entire formula on the paper for you to recreate it. I don’t know if I’m explaning my point correctly. After that, you only need to mass produce the book who already has the spell written on it. After all it is a formula, it should work in any other book who has it.
This here is what I mean you are clearly disregarding most fe lore and Alice’s points and moving the goalpost because you have a stick up your ass about printers. [Dude you know printing doesn’t require electricity and wires and junk right? wooden human powered printing presses have existed for a long time and are not that farfetched.]
Even if your cavalry (by this I mean all kind of mounted units) uses a lance as their primary weapon, they’ll realistically still need some kind of secondary weapon in case the lance gets broken or lost (this is where we have to seperate gameplay from in universe logic), or ideally several of them. For this the sword is the best choice due to it’s great versatility. (In fact cavaliers CAN use swords in most games)
And this principle doesn’t apply to just mounted units but virtually everyone. No matter what weapon you use, having a sword at your side is never a bad idea.
If there are guilds regulating the price of swords it is very likely they’d also regulate the price of other weapons, it’s not like swords are special or anything.
This was the case in late medieval Europe, and it resulted in swords costing essentially the same as spears or polearms. (some sword like weapons like Lange Messer were actually one of the cheapest weapons you could buy since they were able to abuse a loophole in the guild regulations, but that’s not too relevant to FE since I’ve never seen a Messer in those games)
In Fe 13, 14 and 17, magic weapons/tomes can be used by all and modified. Not just that, but ‘relic’ weaponry. The Tier-S weapons in those games can be refined as well, no matter their origin or ‘rareness’.
Fe 11-12 also offer reclassing, allowing characters unable to use magic the ability to use magic, and unique weapons to be reforged all the same, no matter the origins and so forth.
And saying that “maybe blacksmiths aren’t master sages” disregards the possibility of multiple workers under a smith’s care.
And people can still swing swords and axes and slam it into people - with the concept of ‘fake legendary weapons’ (Missiletain) still being swords, while fake tomes that can only be verified by its caster (which depending on what type of magic concept we are drawing in can’t even come to be) are a more dangerous concept, opening the possibility of merchants selling unknowingly fake tomes.
→ Also talks about Dark magic being feared and less spread
→ People still research it
→ Missed the fact I stated both Light/Dark magic and not Anima
→ The fact that the main Light magic users of pre-multiclass era are often aligned with the Holy or the church.
Misread if you need to to make a point.
And you ignored their “even if”, meaning that even if was needed for a mage to do anything of the sort (which safely implies that Alice can consider it not being necessary), the point there is the point that has been made through this thread of people being able to draw in the magic from the books - a catalyst - by uttering its basic form.
What Alice says there is ‘can’t a normal person write it?’, not a ‘the mages will bless it later’.
All of this is base of Alice’s screenshot and hack where I am asking questions because, well - I do give that shit. Maybe I want to know what’s the lore behind the printer, and maybe you’re going to get offended by me asking it. This is what I want to know - Alice’s canon in base on those printers and the magic books.
So yeah, what they are made of, whether they are magic or not, is pretty important and I do care about it, and because it’s Alice take on this, they surely do know, right?
“You ask things instead of agreeing.”
Because I never mentioned electricity nor I did think that for a second (may Elimine spare children to be used to copy books), but thanks for the thought. If you could take context you’d see that your latest quotes and berating were made towards me questioning Alice’s design and their inspired canon, not the whole of Fire Emblem’s, right after I started asking about where their books came from
You two may be getting a little to intense here, guys. I know I could get scalded easily for meddling, but can we have a little breath before continuing this? Because this looks like is going from a debate to something more personal (here’s hoping this is just my own paranoia and not a vision of the near future)
I will dignify your bad faith with quick responses
Irrelevant to the broader point that tomes clearly are not super special to modify/create.
Irrelevant, and wrong tell me what happens if you use a faulty sword oh it breaks and you get killed cool. you clearly don’t understand how regular weapons work. also this is just more story concepts.
→this example is about the lack of restriction to use the magic, the example you think is a contradiction is about economy not restrictions
→yeah personally not as part of an organization or some such and they aren’t restriced
→was an example of even orphans being able to do magic shit and not being monitored
→ Good thing I Didn’t mention light mages [I could have been more clear but uh research point again]
Wow you are really good at describing yourself
Oh wow you really do have issues reading. you are just wrong unless Alice wants to correct me, Her statements can be interpreted either way and I already countered this so moving on.
Why does it matter? There is literally noting that changes about this argument, I guess I could have been nicer so I’ll change the question… why do YOU give a shit?
[BTW you slipped again you say you are interested in the printer why?]
No you ask things and make up shit to change the subject when you can’t just say “NUH UH”
Oh good thing I was DIRECTLY addressing that so why does this printer bother you so my friend? I’m really curious!
Because it prints magic books - if I wasn’t interested on it, I wouldn’t ask about it. Or is anyone that questions anything unable to be interested by it?
Woah that’s a long discussion about magic books and the economy of the Fire Emblem universes…
I think most people don’t wear glasses in Fire Emblem because they’re expensive and don’t have much use in combat, which is the majority of what we see as players, basically what some people said above.
[I could have been more clear but uh research point again]