She’s meant to fall off.
She used to have actual growths before this patch, and even then, you were always able to jack anyone up with growth boosters or stat boosters
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Glacia’s been shadownerfed for the past like, 10 versions at this point lol
She used to have actual growth rates
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Her growths were divided by multiples of 5 
I get shes a jagen but at this point she’s no more than a punching bag when it’s encouraged to have fun with units you like. Especially with all the money and statboosters you give in the game.
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Petition to give Glacia actual growth rate.
I remember her growth rate when I played the hack and it was not single digit growth rate like what is shown here
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normally id be chill with a falloff unit falling off but she IS like one of [if not] the only armors you get
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It would be funny if glacia had her old growths but had blossom to somewhat nerf her potential. She’s still inferior to the lords at the beginning, but if you want to train her (it will be difficult since she would be a prepromote with blossom), it might pay off later. This is so copium but a guy can try 
Not really a great investment long term, but it would be funny tho
(Alternatively just give her 200% defenses and 5% everything else since she glacier)
more funnies
It would be epic if she got Glacies at Level 20
side note:
If I had a nickel for every time there was a prepromote Spellsword in OC emblem, I’d have three nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened thrice (counting split promotions, literally 1/8ths of the cast can be spellswords)
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is this what the most popular character of OC Emblem ends up like…
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I know you’ve expressed concerns in the past to me about how the way you handle the OC characters might come off as disrespectful to their original creators, and iirc this is why you rarely if ever directly remove any characters from the game.
I’m sorry for being a bit rough-handed here, so please bear with me—but while I think that’s an understandable sentiment to have in general, what’s happening here frankly seems far more disrespectful to Glacia’s creator than just outright removing her (even without permission) could ever possibly be. It feels way more of an insult comparatively to keep her around solely so she can be the most worthless unsalvagable garbage in a game where you can make pretty much anyone else worthwhile. If I was a character creator who had submitted something for this hack, I would honestly be pretty upset by this even if I hadn’t made Glacia. If you’re willing to do this to her, what’s to stop you from spontaneously deciding to aggressively nerf or mangle one of my characters on a whim too?
It feels like it honestly goes against the intended spirit of the game when OCE’s mechanics (growth boosters, lots of money, large numbers of stat booster items) enable so much favoritism for literally every other unit in the game. The game seems tuned around using whoever you like… unless her name is Glacia? This seems weird when Glacia is one of the more popular characters in the game to my understanding.
At that point, why include her at all if you’re so strongly against people using her in the normal way that you’re intended to use everyone else in the game? Why is she the single exception? I earnestly don’t even like Glacia that much myself, but I’m just really confused and I don’t understand the thought process behind this. If you don’t want people to use her, I feel like it would be more productive and less disrespectful to just remove her instead of kneecapping her to be impossible to use.
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I’m half tempted to play this game just for the sake of giving Glacia a genuine shot.
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While I haven’t done it here in public I have expressed the same concerns to Purple. I’m not sure of all the details but I share the same view.
I don’t have any ill will to Purple but I hope they come to see how this is coming off to others seeing the hack now. Because I genuinely do enjoy this hack, and I feel as though this really punishes you if you happen to like Glacia.
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Genuinely
I am very tired
I’m tired of everyone here ganging up on me
even my friends
I’m burnt out.
I don’t know exactly what I should say to appease you guys
but I’ll be honest
I’m tired.
so, so tired.
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“I’ll delete her from the hack”
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So, I’ve had a hard time compiling my words because I’ve known Purple for quite a long time at this point, so I do know pretty much all the tricks in the book he uses under duress.
As a PSA to everyone here who isn’t in the loop, please don’t fall for Purple’s usual tactics of pity seeking. Purple has historically had a long history with working up his persecution complex to seek pity by attempting to frame any amount of mass criticism against an unpopular change in his work as an unjustified and unreasoned attack upon him as a person. Multiple people have called him out for this and he’s burnt multiple bridges because of it.
Purple, you claim to not know exactly what to do every time in these situations, but the fact of the matter is that people just want you to un-nerf Glacia because she’s a character that people enjoy using. You’ve shown many times across multiple servers your curious and irrational hatred for her for some reason. I’d agree with a lot of people here that if you don’t want to have people asking why you keep shadownerfing a character that a ton of people like, you should just remove said character. (You don’t even put Glacia changes in the changelog as far as I’m aware.) It’d be disappointing, but I think people would like it a lot more than what you’re doing where you’re just dangling a mangled corpse of a jagen in front of the crowd as a form of apparent mockery, I guess. (It’s pretty obvious what you mean when you suddenly decrease Glacia’s growths as if they were divided by 5.)
You’ve pulled the “I’m so tired” excuse multiple times, and while that might work for a first timer, it frankly won’t work on a lot of us who’ve seen you try to sandbag criticism and ignore it by pulling this card before.
It’s frankly frustrating to me as a fellow creator that you’re being so creatively dishonest when it comes to the creative process (again, shadownerfing Glacia and not being transparent about it in order to preserve your image), especially when it comes to your relationship with people who do try and actually give your hack a shot, and people who actually do like the hack. The fact that you’re actively trying to sandbag a good fraction of your active and vocal playerbase over their affection for a character you personally dislike (at which point, again, why is she still in the game?) is the reason why you can’t “appease” people.
It’s because you simply don’t want to. And sure, that’s fine, but you should expect people to be unhappy as a result. You aren’t entitled to happy fans if they don’t like your decisions.
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“I’ll either accept that she is a unit in this hack and keep her as she was intended to be without these hidden nerfs, or remove her in lieu of a different character that I can not be angry at for whatever reason whenever she is used.”
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i do genuinely think that like giving her 1 support convo and unnerfing her and then bumping her up to b lances would solve every issue being had
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Alright, let’s slow down a bit here.
I am genuinely unsure of why your interpretation of my message was that I was trying to attack you. If it wasn’t clear enough that I was just confused and was looking for clarification, well… I was confused and looking for clarification and not trying to attack you. I was outlining the thought process behind why I found this so confusing, as someone who again does not care for Glacia, because I wanted to help you better understand why a person might not like these decisions.
But the fact of the matter is that “appeasing” people has nothing to do with it and thinking about it like that is really unproductive. Like it or not, the game has a problem that needs to be solved and it’s a lot easier to focus on finding a solution for that than stressing about what people think about it. If we can actually fix the problem, the “appeasement” will come after naturally.
So let’s talk solutions from a STRICTLY clinical lens. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am going to assume that the problem you have with Glacia is that she doesn’t fall off enough because OCE’s systems allow people to bring her to the mid/late/endgame anyways.
Nerfing Glacia as you have been doing really isn’t the solution to the problem I think, as it will not only be even more insulting to her creator as discussed prior, but it’ll also drive the playerbase who genuinely likes her away from your hack (which I would guess to be a fair number of people given that she was apparently a contender to win romhack CYL) and it’ll arguably also encourage new players to use her MORE because of how much of an underdog she now comes off as (just look at how popular mainline units like Nino/Amelia are in, in part because they are underdogs). I really don’t think it’s the right solution for what you need as it doesn’t even hard-stop people from trying to use Glacia thanks to OCE’s systems but actually encourages people to try using her more, and it just causes more problems as a side effect.
I would say that the easiest avenues of approach that you have are fairly clear and straightforward. If my previous message wasn’t clear enough regarding my feelings, my earnest take is that—once again—if you truly hate her that much, I think you should just remove her instead of engaging in this whole song and dance. There’s no reason not to cut out a part of your art that you hate, especially if the idea of her having any form of lasting usefulness is something you’re repulsed by to the extent that you’d do what you did to her. And no one can commit growth boosters to her or bring her to the lategame or whatever if she isn’t in the game at all, which permanently remedies the core problem of Glacia being a part of people’s teams in the long term.
Otherwise, revert her to how she was prior so that the demographic who enjoys using her and find her fun can actually use her to a reasonable degree.
Anyways, to be completely transparent it honestly made me quite sad that your immediate response to my confusion was to assume that my intentions were malicious. I really don’t appreciate you painting my approach like that—please give me some benefit of the doubt here. When people bring up problems with someone’s game, 95% of the time they aren’t doing so because they hate the developer personally or anything. If I were reporting a bug that softlocks OCE to you, it wouldn’t be because I want to punch you in the gut in real life. Like I said, I wanted to help you find an answer, so please ease off on this kind of reaction.
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thats like the chicken one right
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