Fire Emblem: The Lonely Mirror (Concept for FE8 ROM Hack)

No problem man. I was pretty surprised that there were more comments not liking the game because to me it has everything that a great rom hack has and it was much more memorable compared to most of the other hacks I’ve played. Keep up the great work and remember that there are surely a lot of people who are waiting for more updates or content :slight_smile:

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I will say this, i never actually knew people disliked this hack. I certainly enjoyed myself regardless of my gripes with some of the mechanics.

I liked the story, thought the first few alt maps were a bit rough (this was like two years ago), and still wasn’t sure of my feelings on route splits and mutually exclusive characters (I have since discovered I dislike them on both a gameplay and somewhat of a narrative level), I still enjoyed myself.

Hell, this was one of the first 10 hacks I ever played, and considering I only ever clean out hacks I didn’t like or don’t plan to play again off my 3ds so the fact I left this one on it should mean something.

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My only gripe is having two characters locked to the higher difficulties i would like to have the entire cast avalible with out having to always have a difficult time.I would love a patch with them avalible on all difficulties.Radiant dawn had this same problem with Pellas only being in a second playthrough.

@caladrius With the new update I decided to play Lonely Mirror again on Maddening to see the gaiden chapters and the new characters. I wanted to do a Amanda and her gentlemen suitors run. I am happy to say that I’m very glad I did - Lonely Mirror really holds up and is an all around great product.

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I played on Maddening, which was definitely difficult at times, but never felt unfair. I feel like the only time I truly got frustrated and resorted to save states (I try not to use them except for right before a boss because I don’t want to replay a whole chapter if there’s a random crit chance), was Chapter 30. But it’s also pretty much the final chapter and I don’t think I properly strategized near the start and didn’t want to have to replay it. I feel like maybe there could be fewer reinforcements on that map, but I don’t want to nitpick.

The chapters I found frustrating the first time I played, Prelude 3, Chapter 23 and Chapter 26, I think have been toned down or altered in a way where they were still difficult, but no longer felt punishingly difficult.

I have some (hopefully) constructive criticism/bug notes on a couple of chapters/portions of the game.

Spoilers on Specific Chapters
  • I would love to see Thracia-style trading put into the game. I find inventory management sections of Fire Emblem games kind of annoying and on that note I feel like it just reduces some tedium from trading items or what have you mid map. I don’t think it fundamentally alters gameplay heavily enough to cause you have to rebalance any portion of the game and is just a nice bonus to have.
  • On a similar note, I would love if the convoy could be increased to 200. I only ran out of space near the end of the game, but I mainly like it because I find it easier to organize all my items and do inventory management when they’re all in the convoy so you can hand it out to characters as you see fit. Once again, just saves on some of the tedium of inventory managment.
  • If you could change Support and Talk to be green text to show players that it doesn’t end the turn that would be A+
  • On Chapter 17x, if you skip the cutscene after you have released two of the characters, the other two who are supposed to die stay alive.
  • On Chapter 26x, I think having a couple more chest keys thrown in the mix would be nice. Chances are most players only thief is Atticus, and the way that everyone is sectioned off and the chests are so far apart makes the map kind of annoyingly long for any completionist who wants to get everything unless they’ve loaded up on chest keys somehow.
  • From Chapter 24A - 28, you have five-six chapters without access to any kind of shop other than the basic one in the inventory menu. A lot of these chapters are pretty enemy heavy, and I found that I ran out of 1-2 range axes and lances near the end. Perhaps just me, and I realize that some of these maps it doesn’t really make sense to have stores in, but I could see some people having real difficulty near chapter 27-28 if they didn’t properly prepare 3-4 chapters ago.

Once again, thanks for the great game! I had a lot of fun playing it this time around. :slight_smile:

I gave this hack a go today and am enjoying it so far. Made it to Chapter 6. Vulneraries x5 is how it should always be :).

I do wish that it had the enhanced minimug patch that shows you basic stats and inventory when you hover over a unit; it’s a small thing that feels like a big thing when you don’t have to click on a unit to see what it’s wielding and do mental math to calculate Atk value. Also wish the game would preview how much healing you’re about to do with a staff.

So far the maps are fun and I like the generous growth rates on units!

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Jezus Christ, the new portraits look amazing damn!!
Great time for me to do a new playthrough of this romhack now!!

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:tada: :tada: YOO. I finally finished playing a full game in maddering mode (version 4.1) and I here to share my thoughts about this incredible game, Caladrius what a great work you made, I really enjoyed every moment of your hack room, seriously my favorite FE hack so far.

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I played this game 3 times but only now managed to finish, so on my tier list bellow consider my experience with my previous 2 gameplays. Obs: I really tried to promote every unit with level 20 until chapter 27 or 28.

Some units will not appear on this tier list bc they dont have portrait :frowning:, but I’ll write about them bellow the image anyway:

S Tier: their stats are very good, they will carry and save your team
➛ Boone: after promoting he turns OP. Nice character in general.
➛ Myles: best sworsdman ever, a dodge-machine. I like him, much fun to use.
➛ Rob: speedy general, will crit everyone and have a good defense, with palladium sword he turns OP, even Dracbolla trembles with fear.
➛ Silvan: best unit and best character in the game, I wish i could read all his support conversations.
➛ Benji: powerfull crit-machine, he is amazing and handsome too. :sweat_smile:
➛ Riley: another underrated unit, he as a berserker are a mage killer, speedy, strong and always crit. With Lorgmor axe he will swept all monsters, I wished him a new portrait design tho.
➛ Shiloh: best bishop ever, amazing stats and good design.
➛ Winifred: I love her dialogues and sprite in battle, trully a speedy crit-machine as a sniper.
➛ Eamon: amazing unit, he is strong and crit-machine as a halberdier.
➛ Atticus: both classes you choose he will be OP and dodgy, love his character.
➛ Brett: ok, I will admit, I only played with him through the end because he is my crush, and I discover that he are a underrated unit with amazing stats. :face_with_peeking_eye:
➛ Caden: just an OP ranger unit.
➛ Lael: the late game would be insanely hard without her, but possible…
➛ Amanda: I recruit her but never used, but she deserve this tier obviously, and her dialogues are very funny.
➛ Pepper: strong berserker with high crit, great unit in general.

A Tier: all of them can be “S” tier if you put some effort
➛ Liang: great unit and mage-killer, I made him adventurer but I think ranger class would be really OP.
➛ Saoirse: she can be one of your main hero characters if you need, I only used her once and she is really cool.
➛ Joseph: I made him wind sage and I absolutely don’t regret it but I think that wind tome deal less damage than fire tome. Forseti rules.
➛ Helga: great unit, whatever classes you choose she’ll be good.
➛ Wise: aka best character in the game, as wyvern rider he would pierce all your enemies.
➛ Kurtis: big, big potential. I’ll try play with him as a griffon lord next time.
➛ Grant: general or great knight both are amazing and only depends on your effort.
➛ Sterling: he is very good indeed, as a druid with ruin tome on hands he will crit everyone, cant wait to try prophet class next time.
➛ Eliza: cmon, she is an assasssin, can’t go wrong with that.
➛ Ozias: halberdier and silver knights both classes are good and will surely help your team.
➛ Tarin: late join promoted unit, his stats are great.
➛ Edith: late join promoted unit, thunder sage with high ranks and best equipments, great character.
➛ Mercer: he can be good as Myles if you want so.
➛ Lionel: very last recruitable character, will help your team build if you dont have a warrior.

B Tier: they can be good… if you put a lot of work and get lucky on level ups
➛ Caspian: he can be really good as a warrior but not as good as Silvan.
➛ Roxie: I played with her as witch and oracle, I think oracle class are better, her low hp in the beginning can be very tricky.
➛ Queenie: she can be good but I didn’t have proprer time to train her.
➛ Thanya: lacks defense but I regret promoting her to scholar, I think she can be better as a thunder sage.
➛ Leah: speedy but her defense stats are sad, depending on your luck she can be S tier I guess.
➛ Vergil: I made him gold knight but he lacks luck although his offense are good.
➛ Faith: stats are fine but later in game you will recruit others flying units better than her.
➛ Shane: late join promoted unit that requires much work to be good.
➛ Kathryn: can be a good bishop but not equal to Shiloh.

C Tier: troublesome to level up or “weak” unit
➛ Ariel: her stats aren’t a big deal I guess.
➛ Parvati: oh my, it is very difficult to level her up to 20 and promote, I swear on my next save I’ll try to made her scholar.

D Tier: not fulfill my expectations
➛ Travis: poor Travis, he reminds me of Forde lmao, thats sad.
➛ Wanda: yes she can be a bulk unit but I didn’t get lucky with her stats growth.

Never used / few uses:
➛ Wyatt: classic promoted unit in early game, can save your team but occupies a precious slot in your team.
➛ Irina: late join unit that I only use if I didnt have any black mage unit alive.
➛ Danika: I know she can be good but on chapter 17x I didnt choose to save her.
➛ Noelle: particularly I dont like playing with dancers on my team.
➛ Yvette: for a big reason that I’ll talk about later I didn’t choose her path.
➛ Knox: very sad backstory and strong unit, I recruit him and used only once, if my team had more slots…
➛ Alouette: good class but I didn’t use her bc I was busy trainning my other units.
➛ Fletcher: same reason as Danika.
➛ Cobalt: sadly same reason as Yvette…


that quote :face_with_peeking_eye: :rofl:

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Final team stats













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Bugs (ver 4.1)
  1. When I promoted Joseph on level 20 to wind sage he turns B anima rank even if I already had A rank (downgrade).

  2. I think my Shiloh cant up his light rank to S, because that I cannot use Eiriksmal tome :melting_face:

  3. On chapter 27 I used banshee tome on a scholar enemy reinforcement (bottom left), he got silenced but still managed to attack my units and then the game freezes on battle screen, don’t know if this happens on others chapters, but i will write down this here anyways

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About Gaiden chapters (yeah I played them all)

17x: Amazing chapter, give the player a tough choice between 4 characters. I choose let Travis and Danika go. I think I just didn’t have a chance to see Fletcher in this chapter, dont remember…

18x: If you don’t have any promoted units here this map can be hard, dividing your team in 3 parts and bring the green unit a bit more to the bottom (center) of the map, this can be one of solutions if you are in trouble.

21x: WTF, I almost got soft - locked in this map on the very 1st turn, that Maelduin… on top right of the map, very close to 2 slot of your team, he have a Minos axe and ALWAYS crit me on 1st turn :melting_face:, I was only able to survive and kill him after various attempts in RNG manipulation :smiling_face_with_tear:… So, bring more promote units here than 18x guys and recrut Knox.

26x: I really love chapter 26, can be hard keep Amanda alive, but with only two units you can attract Amanda to the very bottom of the map, outside the castle. I remember using Boone and an flying/mounted unit, basically I bait her, she will walk left and right forever :sweat_smile:.But 26x can be really hard if you don’t bring staves users and bulk units.

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@caladrius Final Questions:

  1. Do you plan any major update, like ver.5.0 or an post-game (like FE Last Promise)? Or any update at all?

  2. Where is the secret shop on chapter 24B? That secret shop have the same itens as 24A? (I worry about dreamcatch, just bc that I didn’t choose this path)

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Talking to Loretta with Kathryn in Chapter 3 triggered the support conversation tutorial from FE8 involving Colm and Neimi. I have no idea how that happened, but I think it’s replicable if you just go to that chapter and trigger the convo. I was playing on Normal Mode, which I assume might be a reason this occurred.

On the same map, Roscoe spoke after dying (he essentially said he would start moving, after he was dead).

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Cool tier list, @ruiva! I got to admit, I feel like my personal tier list for The Lonely Mirror is frequently changing with each run. While I am in agreement with a lot of your characters placements, I also feel different about some of your other placements too. I think that’s super cool, because you may have found uses for characters that I haven’t discovered. Perhaps certain characters work better with your playstyle too, or you put higher weight on certain attributes.

All characters in The Lonely Mirror can work well in many team dynamics, so I think it’s important to use who you like. :slight_smile: Cool final team!


  1. Yes, my plan is to come out with a 5.0 at some point this year. 5.0 will have more supports, portrait updates (Riley included), probably a surprise or two, and a couple other smaller things. The game is pretty packed right now though.

  2. It is on the same tile as the green unit, armor knight who is holding a Member Card. It should be at the top of one of the stairs on the left side.

Side note: I wanted The Lonely Mirror to be a game where you might keep discovering more and more things (even if it’s small things) on future runs. There may be content that you haven’t experienced yet. For instance, did you play 14C or 15B yet? This is the route you get Fletcher instead of Shiloh or Riley.

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Thank you, @Vulgard. Good find! I will correct this in the next build.

I’m excited to hear that you’re working on a new version of this game. I finished it a while ago (the Friendly version. The Classic one was way too tough, and even with the Friendly game, I barely beat the survive map where you start with Joseph and Myles), and I was thinking about replaying it again. I’ll keep an eye on this thread.

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Yes! During my entire playthrough I was ranking characters in tier list site and changing them everytime.
My playstyle heavily affects my tier list decisions, because I prefer to play with mages and non-mounted units.

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  1. Glad to hear you are planning future updates, I love and enjoyed your work here, even the times where I spent hours stuck in some maps are fun moments :sweat_smile:

And I really want to play again and choose other paths and characters instead, I haven’t played 14C because I choose get Shiloh early in 14A, and I really don’t remember the existence of 15B path, ch 15 are Drums of war right?

Hi, i’ve tried this hack years ago and had a great time. And now with all the new portraits and progress, I decided to finally come back and I must say I’m having a lot of fun. The new portraits look great and the gameplay is still such a nice refreshing change from other hacks, for example the prison escape or the preludes. So yeah, amazing job, definitely one of the top hacks like “Vision Quest” and “Dark Lord and the Maiden of Light” for me.

I wanted to wait with this comment until I finish my first run (classic hard, looking forward to a second run on friendly difficult already). But I’m currently on chapter 22 and can’t seem to recruit Roxie. I tried out all the sand tiles in the top left and right. Does Liang have to be alive to recruit her? They were both alive at the end of part 1.

Did you recruit Liang in the first chapter of part 2? iirc he doesn’t have to be alive, but something might have gotten a little wacky anyway
And if you didn’t save speedwings/angelic robes it’s really hard to use her at this point anyway lol

Anyway, I got around to replaying because new update cool. My eyes popped out of their sockets when I saw Leah-Faith support was added, because literally the first time I played this game I was like “omg I want to support them Faith is so mean this will be funny”
my expectations were met :relieved:
I really like the new portraits, CaringCarrots did a LOT of work sheesh.The post-timeskip glowups hit different this time

Also, I forgot I picked Difficult so I was confused why the enemy stats were honestly kinda crazy despite me playing the Friendly patch. lol

Finally, the unlock conditions for the new content are kinda esoteric without a guide. I’ll have to actually use the guides next time. Was avoiding it because if I tab out of RetroArch on my phone it crashes for some reason

Edit: btw I was adding some music in febuilder (Shackled Wolves used to be buggy ingame idk about now) and noticed the m4a hq mixer patch isn’t installed. It doesn’t conflict with anything already in the mod and helps the sound be a lot more stable. Modular minimug box (VQ style) also doesn’t have any conflicts, and it’s really good QoL without having to show players Travis’s really sad growths when you press Select :star_struck:

Edit 2: God I went through the new portraits again and it’s genuinely so cool the slight differences between pre- and post-timeskip. Kudos to the Carrot

Hi i was curious if you have a discord or somewhere where people discuss this hack? I’m really enjoying it so far but have a few questions and don’t wanna clog up this thread with them.

A lot of people have actually asked me about a Discord server, so I have set one up. Feel free to ask away any questions you may have!

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You have list with all classes for characters pls.so i look splitting routes

There is a class guide resource in the Dropbox folder that should have all that information. I attempted to add the information below too.

Class Guide
Character Base Class Promotion A Promotion B
Boone Pikeman
(lances)
Champion
(lances, axes)
Caspian Fighter
(axes)
Warrior
(axes, bows)
Hero
(swords, axes)
Myles Myrmidon
(swords)
Swordmaster
(swords, crit+)
Assassin
(swords, knives, bows, lethality)
Ariel Troubadour
(staves)
Templar
(lances, staves)
Valkyrie
(light, staves)
Liang Outlaw
(bow)
Adventurer
(bow, staves)
Ranger
(bow, sword, sure strike)
Travis Sword Knight
(sword)
Gold Knight
(sword, axes)
Flame Knight
(sword, fire)
Rob Armor Knight
(sword, lances)
General
(sword, lances, axes)
Great Knight
(sword, lances, axes)
Roxie Shaman
(dark)
Witch
(dark, crit+)
Oracle
(light, dark)
Wyatt Great Knight
(sword, lances, axes)
Silvan Brigand
(axes)
Berserker
(axes, crit+)
Warrior
(axes, bows)
Noelle Dancer
Saoirse Mercenary
(swords)
Hero
(swords, axes)
Trickster
(swords, runes, staves)
Joseph Wind Mage
(wind)
Wind Sage
(wind, staves)
Dark Griffon
(wind, dark)
Helga Pegasus Knight
(lances)
Falcoknight
(swords, lances)
Wyvern Knight
(lances, pierce)
Benji Archer
(bow)
Sniper
(bow, crit+)
Ranger
(bow, sword, sure strike)
Shiloh Priest
(staves)
Bishop
(light, staves)
Adventurer
(bow, staves)
Riley Pirate
(axes)
Berserker
(axes, crit+)
Griffon Lord
(swords, axes)
Fletcher Lance Knight
(lances)
Templar
(lances, staves)
Bolt Knight
(lances, thunder)
Winifred Archer
(bow)
Sniper
(bow, crit+)
Ranger
(bow, sword, sure strike)
Wise Wyvern Rider
(lances)
Wyvern Knight
(lances, pierce)
Dragonmaster
(lances, axes)
Parvati Runeseeker
(runes)
Trickster
(swords, runes, staves)
Scholar
(fire, wind, thunder, light, runes)
Atticus Thief
(swords, knives)
Assassin
(swords, knives, bows, lethality)
Whisper
(swords, knives)
Queenie Acolyte
(light)
Bishop
(light, staves)
Oracle
(light, dark)
Eamon Soldier
(lances)
Halberdier
(lances, crit+)
Silver Knight
(lances, bows)
Wanda Lance Knight
(lances)
Templar
(lances, staves)
Silver Knight
(lances, bows)
Tanya Thunder Mage
(thunder)
Thunder Sage
(thunder, staves)
Scholar
(fire, wind, thunder, light, runes)
Danika Bow Knight
(bow)
Ranger
(bow, sword, sure strike)
Silver Knight
(lances, bows)
Kurtis Sky Knight
(swords)
Falcoknight
(swords, lances)
Griffon Lord
(swords, axes)
*Mercer Mercenary
(swords)
Hero
(swords, axes)
Swordmaster
(swords, crit+)
*Mercer Myrmidon
(swords)
Swordmaster
(swords, crit+)
Assassin
(swords, knives, bows, lethality)
Leah Princess
(swords)
Gallant
(swords, light)
Brett Fire Mage
(fire)
Fire Sage
(fire, staves)
Flame Knight
(sword, fire)
Kathryn Cleric
(staves)
Bishop
(light, staves)
Valkyrie
(light, staves)
Grant Armor Knight
(sword, lances)
General
(sword, lances, axes)
Great Knight
(sword, lances, axes)
Vergil Axe Knight
(axes)
Gold Knight
(sword, axes)
Great Knight
(sword, lances, axes)
*Sterling Shaman
(dark)
Druid
(dark, staves)
Dark Griffon
(wind, dark)
*Sterling Monk
(light)
Bishop
(light, staves)
Prophet
(light, crit+)
Lael Wanderer
(light, staves)
Phoenix Knight
(fire, light, staves, monster slayer)
Caden Archer
(bow)
Sniper
(bow, crit+)
Ranger
(bow, sword, sure strike)
Knox Maelduin
(axes, bow)
Faith Pegasus Knight
(lances)
Falcoknight
(swords, lances)
Wyvern Knight
(lances, pierce)
Pepper Berserker
(axes, crit+)
Alouette Trickster
(swords, runes, staves)
Irina Witch
(dark, crit+)
Eliza Assassin
(swords, knives, bows, lethality)
Yvette Herbalist
(staves, herbal blends)
Cobalt Dark Griffon
(wind, dark)
Ozias Soldier
(lances)
Halberdier
(lances, crit+)
Silver Knight
(lances, bows)
Shane Dragonmaster
(lances, axes)
Amanda Judge
(swords, axes, staves)
Tarin Hero
(swords, axes)
Edith Thunder Sage
(thunder, staves)
Lionel Warrior
(axes, bows)
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Note: I played the Lonely Mirror Friendly

I finished this game in January of 2023. Only, created an account. Anyways, this was my first foray into Fire Emblem Fangames. I wanted to play a hack. So, I decided to play a hack. I remembered this Reddit post about good hacks to play, and this comment saying “the Lonely Mirror is like a intelligent system game built this game” or something along that lines. So, next thing to you know, I started to play the game. Oh boy, it was interesting journey. (By the way, I always say “The broken mirror” instead of “The lonely mirror” so that cause some confusion.)

Anyway, enough of my story. The game was way too difficult to me. However, I very much like it, and started my journey of playing hacks. Perhaps, inspiring myself finishing a hack.

The story was good. Just good. I didn’t blow my mind or anything but it was enjoyable. I like the mercenaries the best. Boone, Winifred are my favorites. The comedy I like too. My favorite characters are: Joseph, Winifred, Wise, Boone, Leah, and Myles. They were also on my team and save my butt many times. Especially, Joseph.

Maps can be a bit of mix back. Looking at you, Prelude II: Snow Chimes. It was perhaps way too big. I spent most of my time moving units and turtling even if there treasure chest in that map. There are certainly other maps that can be bit shorten. However, there are maps that I find very enjoyable. Chapter 21, Resilience, is one I considered the best chapter of the game for me. It kept me on my toes, and I had to play strategically. I will definitely taking inspiration for my own escape chapter from 21. Other hitters were Prelude III: To Conquer Death and Chapter 16. In the end, I enjoyed many of the chapter even if they kick my butt.

Gameplay: Is a bit of mixed bag for me. That was my fault too. I expected to be a easier game. In my mind, it was probably harder than Intelligent System GBA games hard mode but I can play the games as brain dead. Nope, I had to use strategy and think. I remembered having losing twice on the first chapter. Now, some chapters lead me to frustrate. The end game was kinda of a slog to get through with bulky enemies. Nonetheless, I enjoy most of the gameplay except for the part that made me ragequit.

In conclusion. After a bit of retrospect, I did genuinely enjoy the game. I wouldn’t have finished otherwise. Hope you continue updating it, and maybe I will take my chance to run through classic. But, hey that my slant.

Have a nice day! Thank you for reading this, my brain spew thoughts into this post.

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Hello, this hack looks pretty cool and I am just asking about how completed it is. is every chapter completed? Are all the supports written and if not, will they be eventually. This isnt meant to rush you, just gauging to see if I should start this rom hack now or wait for a more optimal time. Looking forward to your response.