At what point does 13 and up become 17 and up?

I could do without this square on the horrible media bingo card.

This, I think, is the overestimation that Xilirite mentions.

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I guess but screw it. Whatā€™s life without a few terrible ideas? Worst case scenario Iā€™ll just temporarily remove the hack from FEU and edit this out or make multiple versions of the hack.

In life, you have to try things. Sometimes you succeed and sometimes you fail miserably. If I do fail, Iā€™ll just admit defeat and learn from what I did wrong but like I said, I have plenty of people who will playtest and talk about what they think. Itā€™s inevitable that we will talk about it and see if it works or not before the FEU release.

All I ask is that you all have at least a little bit of faith in our judgment once we finally reach that point in the hack.

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you need to know that this will indirectly affect us as a community ā€œoh look another inappropriate hack from FEU, guess FEU is bad after allā€ (might be a hyperbole but you get my point)

i mean yeah life is full of choices but make sure these choices dont negatively affect others (read: dont drag people into your mess)

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Without intending to condescend, Iā€™ll add that applying some sort of sexual victimhood to a character can be a sort of a crutch to frame a character as sympathetic without making the effort to really develop him or her as a character.

To my knowledge, my hack doesnā€™t have a reputation as ā€œthat hack with the abusive relationship,ā€ and the comments Iā€™ve received on that aspect of the story have been generally positive and along the lines that it was well handled. Itā€™s also written in a way that the abuser doesnā€™t show any especial sexual interest in his victim. So donā€™t feel like you need to go for shock and awe with how dragged through the mud your character was.

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I know, thatā€™s why I wonā€™t go full black dragon or whatever it was called. The idea is not super explicit and is only mentioned at the very end of one support line if ever. Other than that, the hack is relatively light hearted with some dark aspects to it but itā€™s never the main focus except maybe in the second part because war.

What Iā€™m trying to say is that the dark parts were never planed to be the main focus of the story but more like things on the side. Yes sure there are some darker moments in the main story but not to that extreme. The whole rape thing is an extreme that was designed to be mentioned in like three lines of a support at most if mentioned in the hack at all and thatā€™s it.

But I agree Iā€™ll try to keep it down to around fe9/10 or fe4 at most levels for you all.

(Funny how a mere question escalated to that level)

Nah her whole incident isnā€™t her whole character. Itā€™s just a part of her backstory. When you meet her, she has already mostly recovered from the trauma. Hell you wouldnā€™t even know that something happened without the comics which is probably the only place where it would be mentioned (No the hack was not supposed to include it at first. I was simply trying to say that it might be included but because I suck at explaining things, people completely misunderstood what I was trying to say and being the genius I am [sarcasm] I tried to explain how it could work causing more chaos. Sorry guys)

The backstory works just the same if sheā€™s being sold into ā€œregularā€ slavery rather than sexual slavery. The sexual element is unnecessary and tactless, and vestigial to that core drama in a way only serves to make it a far touchier subject.

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She was being sold as a normal slave but the guy who originally wanted her, wanted her for more twisted reasons although never outright stated but he was outbid by the noble. Once again I suck at explaining and said things that although technically canon, were not meant to be in the story. (I know it sounds like Iā€™m trying to bullshit my way out of your tips but itā€™s the truth)

heroes, optimism, brightness, positivity, trust morality, friendship, bonds.
Are concepts I absolutely hate! I prefer more mature concepts like anti heroes, protagonists who are also antagonists, genocide, depression, sadness, lose, betrayal, ptsd, moral relativism and grayness.

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I know I might get flacked for this but I think the idea could be worth pursuing. I mean right now these are just concepts right? until the script for the dialogue in the support is out itā€™s gonna be kinda hard to fairly assess how mature it is. Once the product is out or maybe you wanna post the convo here then we can fairly assess whether or not it is too much or not.

Fates us banned then XD

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Yes thatā€™s true, especially when your supports are literally a conversation between 2 people role playing lol.

I dont get it. Niles has a lot of fucked up back story including sexual stuff but this place considers it not fit for FE? Not to mention some of the stuff in everyoneā€™s favorite FE 4.
Also isnt kind of unreal that you write say a racist character, who is presented as a bad thing, but they wont ever use the hard N?
Its the kind of stuff that is hurting say wrestling where the heels cant be real bad guys because you have the censors and people telling you to tone it down whenever you try to act the role.
Anyways guess the OP can release it on the wild, i imagine the trade off is a lack of exposure but creative endeavors have to face this someday.

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I guess they are just afraid that Iā€™ll give them a bad reputation or are still traumatized from the black dragon incident which fair enough I guess.

I donā€™t think thereā€™s much else to be gained from this discussion, especially when the conversation has devolved to ā€œthis sounds like a terrible idea!ā€ ā†’ ā€œtrust me I know what Iā€™m doing I can make it work!ā€ and also baseless speculation about the reason behind our policy? I, and those who have been criticising the planned ideas, donā€™t control what you will or wonā€™t put into your project. If your artistic vision requires going ahead with an idea despite people telling you itā€™s a bad idea and likely to be poorly-executed, then you do you and accept the consequences of it.

Iā€™m a little disappointed in those of you who decided to take funni potshots at our policy instead of DMing us to ask for clarification or suggesting an improvement, especially as a few of you submitted applications to the last round of mod nominations (as a tip, this is how you guarantee that your application gets thrown into the bin at the first round).

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