[FE7] Reproc'd Level Ups

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[12:41:50 AM] Crazy Colorz: So uh
[12:41:52 AM] Crazy Colorz: This is weird
[12:42:02 AM] Crazy Colorz: If you proc 0 stats
[12:42:06 AM] Crazy Colorz: On a level up
[12:42:10 AM] Crazy Colorz: Then it reprocs HP
[12:42:20 AM] Crazy Colorz: And if you STILL don’t get that
[12:42:23 AM] Crazy Colorz: It reprocs all stats.
[12:42:48 AM] Arch: so a lower HP growth makes shit characters slightly have a chance at more levelups?
[12:42:59 AM] Crazy Colorz: … maybe?
[12:43:21 AM] Crazy Colorz: It only does this at most 2 times though

See 08029660

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So basically all of our calculations of averages have been wrong for the past 11 years?

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Yes. Did the data always look slightly higher?

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I’m pretty sure I’ve heard this mentioned on SF before. Or at least, that there were 3 attempts. The bit about alternating HP and full-stat attempts is new, though.

Either way, it makes a pretty small difference. For most units the “naive” chance of a blank level is going to be on the order of 1%, based on some quick checks.

Also, as I pointed out a long time ago, the simple “max(cap, base + rate * levels)” calculation is already subtly wrong. As a simple example, say you have a growth rate of 50% and are 1 away from your cap at level 18. The charts pretend you never capram and give you an average stat = your cap at lv 20, but in fact sometimes you fail to hit your cap and you never exceed it so that can’t be the average.

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I’ve mentioned this several times before, geez!!

My DS-growths thing even cut this out to make space!

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I’ve heard about this in FE6 but never heard info if this was in 7/8.

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B-but you could have just re-wound the loops

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How can this possibly be true? Heck, I just saw an LP where a guy leveled up 20 times in a row and got 7 levels of 0 stats. This is on a character with substantially good growths and 0 maxed stats too. I don’t think it actually re-rolls.

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I’m a rebel and I do things my way

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Anecdotal. Also, might have been a 0% growths run?

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This is what I was talking about. Eliwood has good growths. If there’s supposed to be something preventing him from rolling 0 stat levelups, they shouldn’t happen 7/20 times.

PS his growth rates are
80 55 35 35 0 55 25
hp/str/skl/spd/luk/def/res

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“it’s very unlikely for something to happen”
“look at this anecdotal evidence that has it happen a lot of times”

“it’s very unlikely to catch a pokemon legendary with a turn 1 pokeball”
“look at all these videos/reddit threads of people doing it”

“unlikely” doesn’t equate to “impossible”

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Yeah, true enough. Also, his growth rates on the non-capped stats aren’t as high as I thought, so I guess it makes more sense.

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Addendum: It REPROCS UNTIL IT GETS A SINGLE STAT. It does this until it rolls at most 3 times for each stat(including original proc). Also of note, on the reprocs, Afa’s drops bonus is not added.

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I remember the FE6 discussion mentioning it doesn’t reproc the levels if a stat is capped, maybe that’s what happened?

EDIT: I was wrong about that, but I had the right idea.

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Just to see how negligible it is, true hp growth is =
(base+afa) + (1-base)(1-str)(1-skl)(1-spd)*. . . (1-luk)base + (1-base)^2(1-str)^2. . … *base

Assuming all the stat grows are 70%! Quote generous, this turns out to be
.7 + .00015309000 + .00000003348 which is basically .70015, a .02% increase

If the stats are a bit lower, say 30%,
.3 + .0247 + .0020 = .3267 = 8.9% increase, more sizable.