I would end up linking them, yes.
We need a vigourously-updated event dictionary of some sort; FE8 is impossible for beginners because there’s no up-to-date tutorial on the events as far as I am aware. Whatever FE8 tutorials were out there already have almost certainly been obsoleted by new versions of EA not working with the codes that they provide.
Also, pls recommend that people disregard the Ultimate Tutorial’s section on music, because nobody should have to put their self through that unless it’s the year 2007
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Hacking has shifted so much that we should probably rewrite the Ultimate Tutorial. Arch is doing a good job on that front, but linking people to the UT is a bad idea since it’s way way waaaaay outdated for the tools and methods we have now.
Hence UT2?
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These are all really good ideas. These are all worth working on.
I’d like to back this up as it summerizes my feelings too.
FEditor despite the various issues, if handled very carefully, allows for a very user friendly tool to work with.
You can edit text, animation and even spells. You can even just rip animation and even get the script and the pallete RGB configurations.
GBA Graphics Editor is good for still images but nothing like Feditor.
I’m in the Emblem Magic beta, and EM’s animation tool is about on par with FEditor’s, albeit it breaks less often.
The only thing it currently lacks is the ability to export animations to gifs.
on par ?
it allows for sprite transformations/rotations, FEditor never did that
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Exporting as a gif would be godlike.
It has the tradeoff of no gifs (yet) but has other things FEditor doesn’t. It’s not a straight complete upgrade, as the one thing you still need to open up FEditor for is gif dumping, therefore it’s on par. That’s all I meant.
It would be completely superior and a straight upgrade if it had gif dumping as well. I can’t even think of other things we could add to improve it as of now.
someone better at explaining things than me should update that fe8 wiki
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Oh yes. I never realized how weird FE8 eventing was until I tried it. I think the wiki just needs to go into more detail about things that are very different from FE7 like the different codes and memory slots for example.
What wiki
if we had better buildfile tools than event assembler then it would be easier
i think we can generalize these two approaches to the “buildfile” (“source code”?) approach and the “in place” approach. Klok mentions the problem of “converting” to EA, but that’s the wrong way to think about it – you don’t really “convert” an existing project to using an EA buildfile (you may s well just start from scratch). A buildfile is just “some computer-readable description of ‘this is how i get my final project from the base ROM’”. To “convert” a FEditor modified project to an EA buildfile would probably be a lot of work, since we’d have to come up with ways to serialize the internal FEditor data structures into EA-friendly data (work for this exists, but FEditor doesn’t keep track of diffs so we’d need to figure out how to figure out what’s in vanilla and what isn’t).
It’s also worth noting that these two approaches are not mutually exclusive – you can write a buildfile on top of an existing working ROM perfectly well; this is how the most recent builds of EN were developed (with a buildfile that treated “the last EN revision” as “the base ROM”). It is much more difficult to do the reverse, because the whole point of a buildfile is that there is no working ROM, there’s just “the base ROM” and “the buildfile”.
Having a nice GUI is of course preferable to not having one, and having a tool generate EA buildfiles or something would be fantastic. What people are missing, though, is that having a machine generate these for you (even based off of some graphical representation of a project) by necessity requires making some assumptions about the project’s internals, which is inherently less flexible. How is some prebuilt GUI tool supposed to understand how, say, Misaka’s portrait mod works? Sure, someone could write that in now, but what if I (or circles, or colorz, or whoever) comes up with some radical new thing that changes how some other underlying data is represented? EM, or whatever would be completely in the dark as to how to serialize these new data structures (Lexou has talked about how it’s possible to deserialize these by examining the in-ROM routines, but I don’t think it’ll be so easy to write a system to do the reverse for arbitrary data). Yeah, you can work around that somewhat by making your GUI tool expose some easy hooks for people to write their own modules, but we were already talking about how there’s a shortage of tool developers?
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To add to this topic there are also a few other tools for this.
One, there’s UPS2EA if you just want to take your current Hack and make it truly base everything off of a base ROM.
Two, for just text edits, I do have a Text Ripper, which you then can edit text entries in a text editor and re-insert with EA. It is, however, not very polished nor does it output in one big file as circles’s textprocessor would prefer.
I know colorz said FE8 is preferable, but, i will ask this anyway: Will EM work with FE7?
Lexou has put a lot of work into supporting all of GBAFE.
EM works with FE7, if you’re interested in modding old tech.
thanks.